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Anonymous Coward User ID: 54888721 Bulgaria 04/16/2014 02:15 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 ... Russia will never let that happen and WE knew that while planning and helping carry out this coup. Any one in our gov't esp the CIA says they didn't anticipate Russia's move on the Crimea is lying. The only question is since we figured this would happen WTF are we doing?. It's like we have a serious divide in our gov't on foreign policy and Obama is trying to ride the fence on this one like everything else(Syria, Iran, Libya). .... Maybe someone can help me understand our game plan here because there is no way this wasn't anticipated. I actually think The US expected Russia to move faster, more aggressively. I think this is why Nuland said F the EU because they didn't want this since they rely on Russian gas and generally have good relations with Russia What is out goal here? In addition to my previous comment (scroll back) soon Putin will propose a new world view that will explain it most if not all. He already started by demanding the world to denounce the crimes of Kiev. Ban Ki Moon already said no peacekeeper in Ukraine. It depends on the reaction of the world. But I guess Putin will make the announcement or his aide it doesn't matter, regardless of whether or not the world leaders accept it. Because when we talk of the world we don't talk of 200 presidents, PMs and monarchs, and several thousand all powerful business. We talk of 7+ billion human beings who have free will. Before God they are equal. And they have the right to use their free will in a better way than now, with not so fair elections for the most part of the world. Sorry I can't say more. Where is USA in that regard? I am waiting as all of you |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 55500051 Canada 04/16/2014 02:16 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Myroslava Petsa @myroslavapetsa Quoting: tmorais #Crimea puppet governor Aksyonov says #Putin said no to his request for sending Russian troops to Ukraine, warns of danger of III World War By having the CIA telling the Ukrainian President to grow some balls and take your country back it they actually called Putin's bluff and pushed him back into a defensive mode. Considering the number of Russian Casualty and dead totals by the end of the Ukrainian security operations, Russian heads should roll, specifically because of all the indecision and pussyfooting that lost them their foothold in the east. It may mean Putin himself and his crew will be on the Chopping Block. Had Russia taken all of the formerly Russian parts of Ukraine at the same time they moved into Crimea and annexed it the US public would have been completely indifferent. That is the way they regarded the Crimea annexation and that is how they would have viewed a move further west. It has taken time and a mountain of anti-Russian press to provide the political freedom of action for the US leadership to seriously confront Russia. That is where things stand now. Russia has squandered the initiative. Not very good chess. Myroslava Petsa @myroslavapetsa Quoting: tmorais #Crimea puppet governor Aksyonov says #Putin said no to his request for sending Russian troops to Ukraine, warns of danger of III World War By having the CIA telling the Ukrainian President to grow some balls and take your country back it they actually called Putin's bluff and pushed him back into a defensive mode. Considering the number of Russian Casualty and dead totals by the end of the Ukrainian security operations, Russian heads should roll, specifically because of all the indecision and pussyfooting that lost them their foothold in the east. It may mean Putin himself and his crew will be on the Chopping Block. Had Russia taken all of the formerly Russian parts of Ukraine at the same time they moved into Crimea and annexed it the US public would have been completely indifferent. That is the way they regarded the Crimea annexation and that is how they would have viewed a move further west. It has taken time and a mountain of anti-Russian press to provide the political freedom of action for the US leadership to seriously confront Russia. That is where things stand now. Russia has squandered the initiative. Not very good chess. I would agree with that. Despite the false image of Putin as Rogue chess player tactician of the highest order. He's looking more like timid dictator looking for fair publicity from the West. While he sacrifices Eastern/Russian Ukrainians and his own elite commando units with little if any support to be sacrificed by the Ukrainian Special Op units and Tanks. I doubt he or Russia will find and any Sympathy in the UN, western media now or his own countrymen and military once the extent of his failure in eastern Ukraine is eventually realized. |
Nordic Wolf
User ID: 1268587 Switzerland 04/16/2014 02:17 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Ok so now that Putin has said that the use of violence against the separatists in eastern ukraine is unacceptable. How about this scenario? What if there was a group of separatists who stormed police stations and government buildings , stole weapons and barricaded themselves somewhere in russia. Would Putin find it "unacceptable" to use force? It is an open question but my thought is that he would obliterate them before they even got that far.. Last Edited by Nordic Wolf on 04/16/2014 02:17 AM Loosing an illusion makes you wiser than finding a truth. ~Ludwig Börne Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it. ~Andre Gide Beware of false knowledge; it is more dangerous than ignorance. ~George Bernard Shaw |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 55493132 United States 04/16/2014 02:19 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Ok so now that Putin has said that the use of violence against the separatists in eastern ukraine is unacceptable. Quoting: Nordic Wolf How about this scenario? What if there was a group of separatists who stormed police stations and government buildings , stole weapons and barricaded themselves somewhere in russia. Would Putin find it "unacceptable" to use force? It is an open question but my thought is that he would obliterate them before they even got that far.. The West should let the Russian have the Albatross called Ukraine it will act has a pair of cement shoes that will take Putin and Russia down with it. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 48457718 United States 04/16/2014 02:21 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 [link to espreso.tv] |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 55493132 United States 04/16/2014 02:25 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Of course its still going, all according to plan. They'll have their war. Quoting: The Endless Watchers Im not so sure that russia will move its non special forces into UA as I don't think putin is stupid enough to be forced into ww3. the problem is has he already move non special forces in the 45th Air borne Reg. is suppose to be there. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 41540209 United States 04/16/2014 02:25 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Between now and the big sit down wherein U.S. Russia NATO & Ukraine will resolve their differences, it will transpire that Ukraine becomes a fierce fighter, takes back its occupied bldgs. and cracks few skulls. Maybe even some blustering about taking back Crimea. I think a few cross border artillery exchanges are feasible. Act like a real country that is willing to fight for its survival. Or you won't survive. Thats the advice the CIA gave them. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 38567879 United States 04/16/2014 02:26 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Ok so now that Putin has said that the use of violence against the separatists in eastern ukraine is unacceptable. Quoting: Nordic Wolf How about this scenario? What if there was a group of separatists who stormed police stations and government buildings , stole weapons and barricaded themselves somewhere in russia. Would Putin find it "unacceptable" to use force? It is an open question but my thought is that he would obliterate them before they even got that far.. It would depend on their motives for doing so. There would have to be a good reason for it. If there were a group of people in power and they were tearing down soviet statues of world war II and taking away the rights of ethnic russians or people close to Russia, If I were one of those people, I wouldn't blame them. But if they were like the people who the west supports who took power in kiev or are fighting and killing innocent syrians then no. Because in that case, its obvious what their motives and intent is. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 54888721 Bulgaria 04/16/2014 02:28 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 It should be noticed by Kremlin that those people's strength is not endless. Many of them are old. It should be noticed by the West that what looks like weakness of Kremlin is the last chance before the inevitable nuclear war and end of world civilization the way we know it. Perhaps that last chance doesn't end with one day only but may continue for a month? I don't know. |
Smudger
User ID: 56667979 United Kingdom 04/16/2014 02:30 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Of course its still going, all according to plan. They'll have their war. Quoting: The Endless Watchers Im not so sure that russia will move its non special forces into UA as I don't think putin is stupid enough to be forced into ww3. the problem is has he already move non special forces in the 45th Air borne Reg. is suppose to be there. But not confirmed I guess. I'd be more worried if russian armour and air support moved in. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 54888721 Bulgaria 04/16/2014 02:36 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Russia has more moves than only Putin, but for the moment I think he is the best and still very active choice of hidden power holders. He showed himself as worldwide statesman and demands a different reaction of the world leaders many of those 200 presidents/kings who were never elected fairly. Sure Russia has more than one ways if this way doesn't work. How about Washington? I'd wish to hear Obama speaking as in South Africa again. |
RTS REDUX
User ID: 1481545 Singapore 04/16/2014 02:38 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 ... Russia will never let that happen and WE knew that while planning and helping carry out this coup. Any one in our gov't esp the CIA says they didn't anticipate Russia's move on the Crimea is lying. The only question is since we figured this would happen WTF are we doing?. It's like we have a serious divide in our gov't on foreign policy and Obama is trying to ride the fence on this one like everything else(Syria, Iran, Libya). .... Maybe someone can help me understand our game plan here because there is no way this wasn't anticipated. I actually think The US expected Russia to move faster, more aggressively. I think this is why Nuland said F the EU because they didn't want this since they rely on Russian gas and generally have good relations with Russia What is out goal here? In addition to my previous comment (scroll back) soon Putin will propose a new world view that will explain it most if not all. He already started by demanding the world to denounce the crimes of Kiev. Ban Ki Moon already said no peacekeeper in Ukraine. It depends on the reaction of the world. But I guess Putin will make the announcement or his aide it doesn't matter, regardless of whether or not the world leaders accept it. Because when we talk of the world we don't talk of 200 presidents, PMs and monarchs, and several thousand all powerful business. We talk of 7+ billion human beings who have free will. Before God they are equal. And they have the right to use their free will in a better way than now, with not so fair elections for the most part of the world. Sorry I can't say more. Where is USA in that regard? I am waiting as all of you I honestly don't think he gives a fuck what the west thinks. IMO he see's them throwing a hissy fit over disallowing queer propaganda to minors. this is why I labeled WW3 the "butthurt war" many pages back |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 55493132 United States 04/16/2014 02:42 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 #Sloviansk mayor Nelya Shtepa said yesterday 'there are about 300 well-armed here (i.e. trained)-the rest are ours' - [link to novosti.dn.ua] |
Nordic Wolf
User ID: 1268587 Switzerland 04/16/2014 02:43 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Ok so now that Putin has said that the use of violence against the separatists in eastern ukraine is unacceptable. Quoting: Nordic Wolf How about this scenario? What if there was a group of separatists who stormed police stations and government buildings , stole weapons and barricaded themselves somewhere in russia. Would Putin find it "unacceptable" to use force? It is an open question but my thought is that he would obliterate them before they even got that far.. It would depend on their motives for doing so. There would have to be a good reason for it. If there were a group of people in power and they were tearing down soviet statues of world war II and taking away the rights of ethnic russians or people close to Russia, If I were one of those people, I wouldn't blame them. But if they were like the people who the west supports who took power in kiev or are fighting and killing innocent syrians then no. Because in that case, its obvious what their motives and intent is. To be honest I don´t think Putin would make any difference of the motives. He would destroy them as soon as the idea began forming in their heads. That is what I´m getting at. The actions beeing performed in Ukraine and which Putin is saying is unacceptable would be beaten down very harshly in Russia. So there is a lot of double standard coming from Putin and he knows it.. It´s all just rethorics. If he doesn´t know it then he is by all means a madman. Loosing an illusion makes you wiser than finding a truth. ~Ludwig Börne Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it. ~Andre Gide Beware of false knowledge; it is more dangerous than ignorance. ~George Bernard Shaw |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 56877019 Spain 04/16/2014 02:46 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 You all have to understand that Russia has already got what it needed in Crimea. They got their Black Sea base and port. Why would they want to invade and prop up a dying country in debt such as ukraine? Why would it want to take on the burden? Quoting: A rational human. 6445557 I think they are playing it smart. They already have wht they needed in Crimea and will just let the bankrupt US and EU spiral further into debt by giving ukraine billions to prop it up. It is a well played approach. I said that 100 pages ago. Russia will let Ukraine self destruct just like Egypt. the only reason this is different is that the right in the USA is providing cover for Soro's and his Nazi's. Russia will self destruct, and Ukraine will take its territories. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 54888721 Bulgaria 04/16/2014 02:46 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 49173534 ... Russia will never let that happen and WE knew that while planning and helping carry out this coup. Any one in our gov't esp the CIA says they didn't anticipate Russia's move on the Crimea is lying. The only question is since we figured this would happen WTF are we doing?. It's like we have a serious divide in our gov't on foreign policy and Obama is trying to ride the fence on this one like everything else(Syria, Iran, Libya). .... Maybe someone can help me understand our game plan here because there is no way this wasn't anticipated. I actually think The US expected Russia to move faster, more aggressively. I think this is why Nuland said F the EU because they didn't want this since they rely on Russian gas and generally have good relations with Russia What is out goal here? In addition to my previous comment (scroll back) soon Putin will propose a new world view that will explain it most if not all. He already started by demanding the world to denounce the crimes of Kiev. Ban Ki Moon already said no peacekeeper in Ukraine. It depends on the reaction of the world. But I guess Putin will make the announcement or his aide it doesn't matter, regardless of whether or not the world leaders accept it. Because when we talk of the world we don't talk of 200 presidents, PMs and monarchs, and several thousand all powerful business. We talk of 7+ billion human beings who have free will. Before God they are equal. And they have the right to use their free will in a better way than now, with not so fair elections for the most part of the world. Sorry I can't say more. Where is USA in that regard? I am waiting as all of you I honestly don't think he gives a fuck what the west thinks. IMO he see's them throwing a hissy fit over disallowing queer propaganda to minors. this is why I labeled WW3 the "butthurt war" many pages back regardless of what the West or Africa thinks, nuclear war is quite realistic scenario. In Georgia the same Putin and Medvedev moved SS-21 despite they had overwhelming power there. It was a sign to the West. Putin or whoever is in his position in Kremlin, and now it is he, has the moral obligation to warn the word. He did it yesterday. Now the choice remains to that world that always cries out it is underrepresented. Including Germany. The nuclear war won't be announced in advance on twitter and CNN because of its nature. Still I think there is a chance for many if not all. |
Limpan
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RTS REDUX
User ID: 1481545 Singapore 04/16/2014 03:02 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 49173534 Maybe someone can help me understand our game plan here because there is no way this wasn't anticipated. I actually think The US expected Russia to move faster, more aggressively. I think this is why Nuland said F the EU because they didn't want this since they rely on Russian gas and generally have good relations with Russia What is out goal here? In addition to my previous comment (scroll back) soon Putin will propose a new world view that will explain it most if not all. He already started by demanding the world to denounce the crimes of Kiev. Ban Ki Moon already said no peacekeeper in Ukraine. It depends on the reaction of the world. But I guess Putin will make the announcement or his aide it doesn't matter, regardless of whether or not the world leaders accept it. Because when we talk of the world we don't talk of 200 presidents, PMs and monarchs, and several thousand all powerful business. We talk of 7+ billion human beings who have free will. Before God they are equal. And they have the right to use their free will in a better way than now, with not so fair elections for the most part of the world. Sorry I can't say more. Where is USA in that regard? I am waiting as all of you I honestly don't think he gives a fuck what the west thinks. IMO he see's them throwing a hissy fit over disallowing queer propaganda to minors. this is why I labeled WW3 the "butthurt war" many pages back regardless of what the West or Africa thinks, nuclear war is quite realistic scenario. In Georgia the same Putin and Medvedev moved SS-21 despite they had overwhelming power there. It was a sign to the West. Putin or whoever is in his position in Kremlin, and now it is he, has the moral obligation to warn the word. He did it yesterday. Now the choice remains to that world that always cries out it is underrepresented. Including Germany. The nuclear war won't be announced in advance on twitter and CNN because of its nature. Still I think there is a chance for many if not all. no shit. and that is another reason why the west (SMOM/Jesuits) are INSANE to pick a fight with Putin(and China) it would mean the end of the world just because they didn't 'conform' to their sort of insanity. (the Forth Reich-Agenda 21) |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 56906208 Croatia 04/16/2014 03:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 "People take the security of Europe for granted"...just tweeted (NATO source). That I don't like to read lol Quoting: missanthropic55 Translation: PEOPLE OF EUROPE! FORGET THE AUSTERITY MEASURES, FORGET UNEMPLOYMENT. DON'T ASK FOR BETTER LIFE - WE ARE IN THE WAR! WE WILL MAKE YOUR LIVES EVEN MORE MISERABLE. Sincery, your NATO |
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User ID: 56298815 United States 04/16/2014 03:08 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Euromaidan PR ‏@EuromaidanPR · 1m #Ukrainian army intelligence officer & his driver were captured by separatists near #Sloviansk. [link to ostro.org] |PR News #Donetsk point the finger, blame the other |
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User ID: 56298815 United States 04/16/2014 03:17 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Separatists supported by armed men captured & disarmed 6BMD airborne combat vehicles in #Kramatorsk, took them outside town. ostro |PR News point the finger, blame the other |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 35104691 United States 04/16/2014 03:17 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 uh oh Alec Luhn @ASLuhn A column of armored troop carriers with dozens of heavily armed men are driving towards Slaviansk, flying a Russian flag Alec Luhn @ASLuhn A truck carrying special forces & a van with radio jamming equipment are driving behind the column of pro-Russian armor |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 54888721 Bulgaria 04/16/2014 03:21 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Massive immigration wave from Ukraine to Russia, under all forms of legal status to stay longer on Russian territory, Collaboration with UN will be sought, says Federal Migratory Service [link to russian.rt.com] Migrants mean money needed for housing, food etc. in long term perspective. You can't have them all working from day 2. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 12397716 Sweden 04/16/2014 03:26 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 @anti_maidan: lightning! JUST on Ukrainian channels transmitted at the Lugansk national guard battalions go, sformirovannyâ of the defence forces. In russia, translated on google. |