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Anonymous Coward User ID: 56598145 Canada 04/14/2014 10:43 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 zerohedge ‏@zerohedge · 3 min Quoting: Luisport Nowotny Says Further Russia Sanctions Not in Interest of Europe - BBG. Germany throws in the towel? Whoa! Not surprised at all. Everything I have read says that the German people have no stomach for either war or sanctions that will hurt themselves in the end. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 56809756 United Kingdom 04/14/2014 10:43 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 RT ‏@RT_com 1m Quoting: dikkie BREAKING: Kiev proposes joint operation with UN troops in eastern #Ukraine [link to on.rt.com] can't see that happening to be honest it would effectively put some NATO member states in conflict with Russian Forces... Unless they will use African troops, Seeing as the Permanent members votes would be vetoed by China and Russia well maybe abstained on China's front... I think that is a non-starter. First, it wouldn't be a peacekeeping force at all, but a military one. And second, with the Ukraine army defecting all over the place and a lot of citizens supporting Russia, you would essentially have UN forces firing on Ukrainians in their own country. Remember too that peace keepers are supposed to come on the scene after a peace deal. The Ukrainians are effectively asking for an intervention, which is a whole different ballgame to peace keeping. it is well and truly a non starter, the UN was originally set up to stop members from going toe to toe and resolve their differences inside the organisation through diplomacy... |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 35410860 United States 04/14/2014 10:44 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 zerohedge ‏@zerohedge · 3 min Quoting: Luisport Nowotny Says Further Russia Sanctions Not in Interest of Europe - BBG. Germany throws in the towel? Whoa! Not surprised at all. Everything I have read says that the German people have no stomach for either war or sanctions that will hurt themselves in the end. Not surprised but, speaks volumes. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 56703886 United States 04/14/2014 10:44 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 If they dont luanch this operation by the night then they are a joke either there waiting for night fall or they just gave up i think i seen a tweet earlier that the person in charge of operation was sacked |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 54888721 Bulgaria 04/14/2014 10:44 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 17:44 RUSSIAN PRESIDENT IS WATCHING SITUATION DEVELOPMENT IN EASTERN UKRAINE WITH GREAT CONCERN - PESKOV Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56811900 he will soon be watching UN troops marching in East Ukraine and hunting for terrorists with Russian kalashnikovs. Russia lost all influence in the UN except for its own veto power. It doesn't matter what I agree or what I don't. I agree for ex. the dialogue Kerry-Lavrov. The facts on the ground are different. Russia isolated itself and may face intervention in Ukraine similar to Bosnia. Because Russian leaders did a lot to make this situation possible. Firstly by backing off Yanukovich and de facto allowing Maidans to take power in Kiev. Who ordered Yanukovich and other power structures to disappear in 24h from Kiev? In such created situation seems to me (may be wrongly) that Russian leaders pursue their own agenda, first by taking Crimea and now by playing game with the rest of Ukraine. I don't say Russian army should have entered Ukraine. But what we see is a bit of double game to appease both the West and the Russians. One may ask, whom the leaders in Kremlin want to play with? If it is the West, why was all of that game? If it is the Russian speaking population at the expense of relations with the West, I don't see much done on the ground. Do they wait for martyrs on the ground? That would be cruel. Im only going to say this once. NATO CANNOT FIGHT RUSSIA AND CHINA. sorry you are living in a fucking dream land if you actually think NATO or the UN can stand up to the big bear. NATO could not handle RUSSIA, US, CHINA, PAKISTAN, INDIA, COULDNT NOT EVEN HOPE TO DO A FUCKING THING TO ANY ONE OF THOSE MASSIVELY MILITARY COUNTRIES. Nevertheless, NATO is going forward and the rest of countries rather try to appease the so called West than to resist it. If there is WW3 that is quite likely, who will be among the survivors? Will Putin care for that, too? Will NATO? Or the martyrs from all sides are counted only in God's lists and not in men's? There is a limit of survival-ability in nuclear war and the politicians and military know it quite well. For the entire planet. UK alone can destroy the planet's life. Russia can do it many times. One can speculate how much Oppenheimer\'s fears were correct (check wiki) for possible ignition of atmosphere, and whether or not a single bomb as Tsar bomb can do it alone. The modern bombs never tested in real but simulated in computer environment could be theoretically more powerful than the Tsar bomb, from both/all sides. So basically the all scenarios come to this point: in t he case of a nuclear war who guarantees the population it will survive? It matters little which exact scenario will be followed. of course it matters. But the final result is all the same. So I am asking again, will Putin, Obama or anyone else guarantee the survival of the peaceful population regardless of the country? Or it will be martyred by unscrupulous military, not even the presidents and generals, who at the same time will take their places in the bunkers? Thanks but I am not fighting your wars, bastards! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 56800786 Canada 04/14/2014 10:44 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 zerohedge ‏@zerohedge · 3 min Quoting: Luisport Nowotny Says Further Russia Sanctions Not in Interest of Europe - BBG. Germany throws in the towel? Whoa! Not surprised at all. Everything I have read says that the German people have no stomach for either war or sanctions that will hurt themselves in the end. Well duh. What do you think happens if more sanctions leads to Russia cutting off gas to Europe? Europe will have continent-wide riots. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 56809756 United Kingdom 04/14/2014 10:44 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 and James blunt is no longer there to say no to the order... which is partly why I think the redundancies were given out to those with war wariness... bring back Mike Jackson, now there is a leader told clark where to jump even when he tried pulling rank |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 55493132 United States 04/14/2014 10:46 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 zerohedge ‏@zerohedge · 3 min Quoting: Luisport Nowotny Says Further Russia Sanctions Not in Interest of Europe - BBG. Germany throws in the towel? Whoa! Not surprised at all. Everything I have read says that the German people have no stomach for either war or sanctions that will hurt themselves in the end. Well Hell give the Russian's a little more time and all of Germany well be part of Russia then. the French well soon Follow with white flags, wine, and cheese. |
Janey
User ID: 56385855 United Kingdom 04/14/2014 10:46 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 There is current discussion between Ukr and the USA/NATO to create a ring of steel around the Kiev area and hope that a referendum in the southeast will support remaining part of Ukraine. There is concern that if there is a major deployment then Kiev and the seat of power is left vulnerable to the Russians, so there is talk of the siege mentality where the castle is defended whilst the surrounding villages burn. However, what was just said to me is that there is severe doubt that Ukraine can find the steel! delivering the news |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 35104691 United States 04/14/2014 10:47 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Putin "getting a lot of requests" to invade eastern Ukraine, "following the developing situation with great concern" [link to ria.ru] … getting a lot of requests .... from their military and intelligence thugs there invading the fucking country and terrorizing its people !? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 56814652 North Macedonia 04/14/2014 10:47 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Many people on this thread seems not to understand few things about what Ukraine represents to Russia. - Same culture, mentality, history... - Economically, the source of wheat, heavy metallurgy, home of the naval fleet. - Ukraine army and naval fleet are Russian school. Wonder why most of UKR army consider NATO and western alliances highly hostile and likely to disobey orders for actions against RU forces? - People, especially in south-eastern Ukraine are strongly connected to Russia. Mixed marriages, language, culture. - Ukraine is considered soft belly of Russia. All the attacks on Russia in history came trough what is today known as Ukraine! There are many more points about complex UKR-RU relationship. Considering this, what we now see unfolding in Ukraine is pretty soft response from Russia. Why? Because very existence of Russia is threatened directly by the west trough Ukraine! A year ago prime minister of Russia Medvedev, announced disposition of Russia's Iskander missiles in Kaliningrad. More of, Russian army had 3 years of high intensity training! Same as China's army. All signs that they are very serious about something! It all comes to this point. What next? Russia will not allow Ukraine to become NATO member. They will at least try to create buffer zone inside Ukraine to limit NATO in future. This is soft approach. Hard approach is direct road to Kiev. Do not fool yourself they are scared to do this. Russia is prepared to do this no matter of what "costs" they will have to pay because they see this situation as existential threat to them! Why US Gov. wants to push this is beyond me? Why US gov. is engaging nuclear superpower is also beyond any reasonable conduct! I hope that you have a more clear sight on Ukraine after this! Heads up people! Open your eyes and start asking the right questions! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 55493132 United States 04/14/2014 10:48 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 There is current discussion between Ukr and the USA/NATO to create a ring of steel around the Kiev area and hope that a referendum in the southeast will support remaining part of Ukraine. Quoting: Janey There is concern that if there is a major deployment then Kiev and the seat of power is left vulnerable to the Russians, so there is talk of the siege mentality where the castle is defended whilst the surrounding villages burn. However, what was just said to me is that there is severe doubt that Ukraine can find the steel! Which means Russia well take all of the Ukraine |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 56775373 United States 04/14/2014 10:48 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 17:44 RUSSIAN PRESIDENT IS WATCHING SITUATION DEVELOPMENT IN EASTERN UKRAINE WITH GREAT CONCERN - PESKOV Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56811900 so that basically means if the UA military attack Russian troops will act... ? I think the Russians were ready to come in as a response to Ukraine trying to shut down the protests but I don't think it is a necessity for them. The threat and that disastrous double down by Ukraine reaffirming it at the UN is probably sufficient for them. At this point Russia's operational objectives are the controlling factor and diplomacy effectively ended at the UN last night. There will be no meeting on Thursday IMO but there will definitely be a Lavrov trip to Peking tomorrow. The question now is when it becomes operationally necessary to go beyond the self defense charade that has been going on thus far. Russia will want a referendum to legitimize its political goals in Ukraine and there is no way they will let any outsiders conduct that referendum. At some point they must move. The end game in Ukraine should begin very soon now. The next phase will be NATO's response along other parts of Europe bordering Russia. Russia has already signaled that it will make an issue of any new permanent deployments. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 56703886 United States 04/14/2014 10:49 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 zerohedge ‏@zerohedge · 3 min Quoting: Luisport Nowotny Says Further Russia Sanctions Not in Interest of Europe - BBG. Germany throws in the towel? Whoa! Not surprised at all. Everything I have read says that the German people have no stomach for either war or sanctions that will hurt themselves in the end. Well duh. What do you think happens if more sanctions leads to Russia cutting off gas to Europe? Europe will have continent-wide riots. hopefully at least people migght wake up putin so shut down facebook that would get the world mad lol |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 56809756 United Kingdom 04/14/2014 10:49 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 If they dont luanch this operation by the night then they are a joke either there waiting for night fall or they just gave up i think i seen a tweet earlier that the person in charge of operation was sacked Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56703886 Imagine the psychological impact it would have on the opposing forces, not that its the case here the UA military and government communication and cooperation is about as effective as stone hitting a tank... |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 56598145 Canada 04/14/2014 10:49 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 zerohedge ‏@zerohedge · 3 min Quoting: Luisport Nowotny Says Further Russia Sanctions Not in Interest of Europe - BBG. Germany throws in the towel? Whoa! Not surprised at all. Everything I have read says that the German people have no stomach for either war or sanctions that will hurt themselves in the end. Well duh. What do you think happens if more sanctions leads to Russia cutting off gas to Europe? Europe will have continent-wide riots. And think about it: Obama says he will ferry armies around the region if they need it but he will not put boots on the ground, yet, the US is deeply involved with the current unelected government. That has to resonate with people in the EU. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 56719297 Italy 04/14/2014 10:52 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 short term, I think he wants a compliant Ukraine that works as a satellite state for Russia as a buffer zone against NATO. I personally think if he gets his way with Ukraine he will try and pick at some of the other eastern countries. He effectively is looking to create a new soviet union and rebuild the Russian sphere of influence. Being the big superpower on the block is a matter of personal pride for him. I think he will go as far as he can without ending up in a shooting war with NATO. pure speculation, janey. create a new soviet union? any links on how you get to that conclusion? you sound exactly like the MSM you represent, surprise surprise... it is indeed pure speculation as I was asked to speculate. As for links, I base my opinions on constant conversations I am having with lots of people for work who are much more involved than I am fair enough, thanks for replying! but being "involved" doesn't mean having a balanced overview of things. don't you think the people you are speaking to for work represent a very one-sided, western-colored view? and thus you may often end up reporting here based on one-sided opinions, instead of neutral facts? btw i like many others here do appreciate you posting here in spire of this criticism. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 56816386 Croatia 04/14/2014 10:52 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Normal people (in the army) are not stupid. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56804504 They don't need anyone to tell them not to obey to fascists and or US or EU and shoot to kill own citizens! Capish? Do you even know what "fascist" means? Russian media loves the word so much but if you read the exact definition and think a little, than you understand that russia itself is 100% a fascist state. Yes, he knows. Fascists are dudes who don't support 1. Serbia in war for someone else's territory 2. Russia in war for someone else's territory 3. Communists |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 56800786 Canada 04/14/2014 10:52 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 There is current discussion between Ukr and the USA/NATO to create a ring of steel around the Kiev area and hope that a referendum in the southeast will support remaining part of Ukraine. Quoting: Janey There is concern that if there is a major deployment then Kiev and the seat of power is left vulnerable to the Russians, so there is talk of the siege mentality where the castle is defended whilst the surrounding villages burn. However, what was just said to me is that there is severe doubt that Ukraine can find the steel! The Ruskies could always invade the whole of Ukraine... and encircle Kiev like a castle under a siege... |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 56530020 United States 04/14/2014 10:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Russia cant afford to annex 15 million new residents. They even got "problems" with 2 million new from Crimea. Russian finance secretary said the other day: "Money in our budget wont be enough for Crimeans. We cant cut elswhere to give, donations needed." Something along these lines. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56807139 So, Russkies gonna wait for federalisation of UA, that Will be even easier to control than it was before all this started. Just wait till they want to rejoin Ukraine. |
RBR
User ID: 19046527 United Kingdom 04/14/2014 10:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 zerohedge ‏@zerohedge · 3 min Quoting: Luisport Nowotny Says Further Russia Sanctions Not in Interest of Europe - BBG. Germany throws in the towel? Whoa! Not surprised at all. Everything I have read says that the German people have no stomach for either war or sanctions that will hurt themselves in the end. Well duh. What do you think happens if more sanctions leads to Russia cutting off gas to Europe? Europe will have continent-wide riots. Some Germans are actually kind of nostalgic about the USSR and are pro Russia |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 56811900 Italy 04/14/2014 10:56 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 seems that Ukraine president signed the decree for use of army in the east Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56811900 Link? [link to en.itar-tass.com] |
Janey
User ID: 56385855 United Kingdom 04/14/2014 10:56 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Not surprised at all. Everything I have read says that the German people have no stomach for either war or sanctions that will hurt themselves in the end. Well duh. What do you think happens if more sanctions leads to Russia cutting off gas to Europe? Europe will have continent-wide riots. And think about it: Obama says he will ferry armies around the region if they need it but he will not put boots on the ground, yet, the US is deeply involved with the current unelected government. That has to resonate with people in the EU. what does resonate in the EU is just how close this is to home, so there is massive concern. With the huge sizes of Canada and the USA it is easy to forget the short distances involved in the EU. As an example, London to Simferopol in the Crimea is a shorter distance than Chicago to Los Angeles! delivering the news |