UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387

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UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387
°Lucy° User ID: 59967356 Germany 07/20/2014 11:11 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 The leadership of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic (DPR) has been accusing the international community of taking too much time to send international experts to the crash site. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 60473457 First, you did not give a hyperlink to your source, so we have to suspect that you simply made this up. But if the quote is correct, it's just more buffoonery from the clowns who pretend that they are in charge of eastern Ukraine yet are totally unable to control their "troops" (cutthroats like Girkin): [link to www.ibtimes.com] --- Pro-Russian separatists in eastern Ukraine fired a warning shot Friday and blocked Organization for Security and Cooperation staff from investigating the crash site of Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17, according to reporters tweeting from Ukraine. "Shots fired by rebels at international team of investigators (OSCE) in Ukraine as they approach plane wreckage," Terry Moran, chief foreign correspondent at ABC News, tweeted Friday afternoon. --- Quoting: Skeptic the First Need to be extremely smart to copy/paste part of the story to get you to the link. Now, when you got it, what will be your excuse - oh it's RT? [link to rt.com] Quoting: Anonymous Coward 60473457 Seen a interview with OSCE and he said there where no shots fired at them... so, whom to believe? media or OSCE on site? "He who people call a fool is not a fool, but he who takes flattery for Truth, is."
Anonymous Coward User ID: 60473457 Croatia 07/20/2014 11:11 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 The leadership of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic (DPR) has been accusing the international community of taking too much time to send international experts to the crash site. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 60473457 First, you did not give a hyperlink to your source, so we have to suspect that you simply made this up. But if the quote is correct, it's just more buffoonery from the clowns who pretend that they are in charge of eastern Ukraine yet are totally unable to control their "troops" (cutthroats like Girkin): [link to www.ibtimes.com] --- Pro-Russian separatists in eastern Ukraine fired a warning shot Friday and blocked Organization for Security and Cooperation staff from investigating the crash site of Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17, according to reporters tweeting from Ukraine. "Shots fired by rebels at international team of investigators (OSCE) in Ukraine as they approach plane wreckage," Terry Moran, chief foreign correspondent at ABC News, tweeted Friday afternoon. --- Quoting: Skeptic the First You see sheep how easily you get brainwashed! Those so called 'experts' were not INTERNATIONAL - but four Ukrainians. Keep watching your news and will be smarter day after day even more
Skizzy? User ID: 60324921 Estonia 07/20/2014 11:11 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Gregor Peter @L0gg0l · agora Dutch Armed Forces send open letter to government: "Sent us to Ukraine" [link to www.joop.nl] … h/t @eastofbrussels Quoting: Luisport They are all overreacting without proof.... as it was intended to be? I haven't seen anyone being rational, like in a bar fight, suddenly all want in Quoting: °Lucy° Do you realize that the terrorist separatists have admitted the shooting down of the plane so that they can loot the victims and molest their bodies?
°Lucy° User ID: 59967356 Germany 07/20/2014 11:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Gregor Peter @L0gg0l · agora Dutch Armed Forces send open letter to government: "Sent us to Ukraine" [link to www.joop.nl] … h/t @eastofbrussels Quoting: Luisport They are all overreacting without proof.... as it was intended to be? I haven't seen anyone being rational, like in a bar fight, suddenly all want in Quoting: °Lucy° Do you realize that the terrorist separatists have admitted the shooting down of the plane so that they can loot the victims and molest their bodies? Quoting: Skizzy? Says who and how did they do it? "He who people call a fool is not a fool, but he who takes flattery for Truth, is."
KneelB4Zod! User ID: 22992427 Czechia 07/20/2014 11:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 [link to pbs.twimg.com (secure)] Obviously "not-Ukrainian" Buk! Last Edited by KneelB4Zod! on 07/20/2014 11:14 AM “You don’t fear death, you welcome it. Your punishment must be more severe.” - Bane "This is not a new world, it is simply an extension of what began in the old one. It has patterned itself after every dictator who has ever planted the ripping imprint of a boot on the pages of history since the beginning of time. It has refinements, technological advances, and a more sophisticated approach to the destruction of human freedom. But like every one of the super-states that preceded it, it has one iron rule: logic is an enemy and truth is a menace." - "The Obsolete Man" - The Twilight Zone, 1961 __________________________________________________________________________ "I assure you, ladies and gentlemen that, very soon history will show that we and our allies have fought a war on behalf of the whole world against terrorism supported by governments that will be held accountable by its own people..." Quoting Dostoyevsky: "Rest assured, hell is big enough for all. It doesn't deserve this fierce competition over who will be the worst." - Dr. Bashar Jaafari, UNSC session, 22nd of February, 2018 [link to youtu.be (secure)] __________________________________________________________________________ [link to www.godlikeproductions.com]
Anonymous Coward User ID: 60473457 Croatia 07/20/2014 11:14 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 [link to rt.com] Here it is bitch! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 60473457 You expect us to take Soviet propaganda seriously? [link to www.bbc.com] --- "Aggressive and deceptive propaganda... worse than anything I witnessed in the Soviet Union," is the verdict of Lev Gudkov, the director of the Levada Centre, Russia's most well respected polling organisation. Cultural historian and publisher Irina Prokhorova goes further - she calls it "Stalinist", reminiscent of the anti-Western hysteria which marked the grim repressive years of the late 1940s. --- Quoting: Skeptic the First Excatly what I thought! Sheep will be sheep Keep starring in tv BBC, CNN, fox,.. and other animals you trust
Skizzy? User ID: 60324921 Estonia 07/20/2014 11:14 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Gregor Peter @L0gg0l · agora Dutch Armed Forces send open letter to government: "Sent us to Ukraine" [link to www.joop.nl] … h/t @eastofbrussels Quoting: Luisport They are all overreacting without proof.... as it was intended to be? I haven't seen anyone being rational, like in a bar fight, suddenly all want in Quoting: °Lucy° Do you realize that the terrorist separatists have admitted the shooting down of the plane so that they can loot the victims and molest their bodies? Quoting: Skizzy? Says who and how did they do it? Quoting: °Lucy° Strelkov (Girkin) admitted it from the beginning. And they did it with the BUK anti aircraft system provided to them by Russia. Last Edited by Skizzy? on 07/20/2014 11:16 AM
Anonymous Coward User ID: 56427994 United States 07/20/2014 11:16 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 [link to rt.com] I don't get it Which part these morons in the western media and so called journos Do not comprehend? The leadership of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic (DPR) has been accusing the international community of taking too much time to send international experts to the crash site. “We’ve been inviting them for three days, but so far no one has come except for four experts from Ukraine,” Kavtaradze told RT on Sunday. A day earlier DPR’s PM, Aleksandr Boroday, accused the international community of lacking enthusiasm to investigate the plane crash. “Several dozen experts are currently in Kiev,” he said. “Can they please come here faster? We are surprised and frankly angered that we have to keep the area untouched while we are waiting for them for so long.” Quoting: Anonymous Coward 60473457 Link or GTFO Quoting: NODOOM Here it is bitch! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 60473457 Don't see any link but does not matter now as your post was deleted by mods, Biatch!
FormerlyBritish User ID: 55803746 United States 07/20/2014 11:16 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 ... False. [link to www.theguardian.com] --- The situation there descended into chaos on Saturday as "experts" of unknown provenance moved bodies decomposing in the baking heat from fields to the roadside, and used bags to collect body parts. A spokesman for the OSCE, Michael Bociurkiw, said: "Some of the body bags are open and the damage to the corpses is very, very bad – it is very difficult to look at." ... However, there were no recognisable international or even Ukrainian experts at the crash site, which was completely controlled by rebel gunmen. --- Quoting: Skeptic the First Last thing I heard they international investigators (100 of them) are still in Kiev, because Kiev told them they shouldn't get there in a hurry and safety can't be assured. So far only OSCE on site Quoting: °Lucy° According to Dutch news, Dutch FM Frans Timmermans said the Dutch investigators were on their way to the scene of the crash. That was 16 hours ago. To be taken into account is that in normal circumstances it's a 10 hour journey to the site. But a few hours' delay due to the war situation is understandable. I haven't seen or heard of any extraordinary problems, so I assume they should reach the site any moment now. Quoting: Midlight Would be great if investigators where already on site, german news radio said about 2 hours ago that 100 international investigators are hanging around in Kiev because the site wasn't safe Quoting: °Lucy° It isn't going to be safe. There is a war going on in that area. Someone should have explained that to them before they set off on a wild goose chase. They can certainly go into the warzone but they risk being shelled by the ukropies, no getting round that.
vlffff User ID: 60481963 Russia 07/20/2014 11:18 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Strelkov (Girkin) admitted it from the beginning. Quoting: Skizzy? From fan page vk? )()))))) vlffff
°Lucy° User ID: 59967356 Germany 07/20/2014 11:20 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 ... They are all overreacting without proof.... as it was intended to be? I haven't seen anyone being rational, like in a bar fight, suddenly all want in Quoting: °Lucy° Do you realize that the terrorist separatists have admitted the shooting down of the plane so that they can loot the victims and molest their bodies? Quoting: Skizzy? Says who and how did they do it? Quoting: °Lucy° Strelkov (Girkin) admitted it from the beginning. And they did it with the BUK anti aircraft system provided to them by Russia. Quoting: Skizzy? Where is the unmistaken proof for that? I would like to see it. Also it would be nice to see proof that the plane was shot down with a BUK. Plain objective proof for all would be nice. Who ever done it has to take the consequences. Be it rebels, Kiev or Russia. But so far, its all accusations and no proof. "He who people call a fool is not a fool, but he who takes flattery for Truth, is."
Skizzy? User ID: 60324921 Estonia 07/20/2014 11:21 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 ... Last thing I heard they international investigators (100 of them) are still in Kiev, because Kiev told them they shouldn't get there in a hurry and safety can't be assured. So far only OSCE on site Quoting: °Lucy° According to Dutch news, Dutch FM Frans Timmermans said the Dutch investigators were on their way to the scene of the crash. That was 16 hours ago. To be taken into account is that in normal circumstances it's a 10 hour journey to the site. But a few hours' delay due to the war situation is understandable. I haven't seen or heard of any extraordinary problems, so I assume they should reach the site any moment now. Quoting: Midlight Would be great if investigators where already on site, german news radio said about 2 hours ago that 100 international investigators are hanging around in Kiev because the site wasn't safe Quoting: °Lucy° It isn't going to be safe. There is a war going on in that area. Someone should have explained that to them before they set off on a wild goose chase. They can certainly go into the warzone but they risk being shelled by the ukropies, no getting round that. Quoting: FormerlyBritish Well it would be safe if the separatists didn't "defend" it from the rescue workers.
Midlight User ID: 15147860 Netherlands 07/20/2014 11:21 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Two things. Firstly, it has already been posted, but now with some extra info: the Dutch parliament has returned from recess and will be informed tomorrow on the whole situation (behind closed doors). If they then decide to discuss the matter with the relevant Ministers, that will be on Wednesday. ----- Secondly, some background: All this talk about possible Dutch and American intervention came about from a news article in a questionable free Dutch newspaper who also called the anti-Kiev rebels 'murderers' before any real investigation took place. Take no note of it. It is true that Hagel and his Dutch counterpart Jeannine Hennis talked with each other, and promised that they will take real steps. But I think it will be at the most some aircraft deployments in the Baltic states or something, or sending a ship to the Black Sea again. Last Edited by Midlight on 07/20/2014 11:23 AM
KneelB4Zod! User ID: 22992427 Czechia 07/20/2014 11:22 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 AJSB ‏@A_J_S_B 21 min. NEWS FLASH: A dormitory of Shevchenko State University in #Luhansk was hit by a #ukraine attack (located near Memory public garden). AJSB ‏@A_J_S_B 19 min. NEWS FLASH: #ukraine shelling also hit museum of history and culture in #Luhansk. “You don’t fear death, you welcome it. Your punishment must be more severe.” - Bane "This is not a new world, it is simply an extension of what began in the old one. It has patterned itself after every dictator who has ever planted the ripping imprint of a boot on the pages of history since the beginning of time. It has refinements, technological advances, and a more sophisticated approach to the destruction of human freedom. But like every one of the super-states that preceded it, it has one iron rule: logic is an enemy and truth is a menace." - "The Obsolete Man" - The Twilight Zone, 1961 __________________________________________________________________________ "I assure you, ladies and gentlemen that, very soon history will show that we and our allies have fought a war on behalf of the whole world against terrorism supported by governments that will be held accountable by its own people..." Quoting Dostoyevsky: "Rest assured, hell is big enough for all. It doesn't deserve this fierce competition over who will be the worst." - Dr. Bashar Jaafari, UNSC session, 22nd of February, 2018 [link to youtu.be (secure)] __________________________________________________________________________ [link to www.godlikeproductions.com]
Skeptic the First User ID: 46420627 United States 07/20/2014 11:22 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 [link to www.washingtonpost.com] --- The United States has confirmed that Russia supplied sophisticated missile launchers to separatists in eastern Ukraine and that attempts were made to move them back across the Russian border after the Thursday shoot-down of a Malaysian jet liner, a U.S. official said Saturday. “We do believe they were trying to move back into Russia at least three Buk [missile launch] systems,” the official said. U.S. intelligence was “starting to get indications . . . a little more than a week ago” that the Russian launchers had been moved into Ukraine, said the official. ... International observers were allowed only brief access to the site on Saturday and were restricted in their movements by the heavily armed rebels, some of whom appeared drunk, witnesses said. --- Last Edited by Skeptic the First on 07/20/2014 11:23 AM
Skizzy? User ID: 60324921 Estonia 07/20/2014 11:25 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 ... Do you realize that the terrorist separatists have admitted the shooting down of the plane so that they can loot the victims and molest their bodies? Quoting: Skizzy? Says who and how did they do it? Quoting: °Lucy° Strelkov (Girkin) admitted it from the beginning. And they did it with the BUK anti aircraft system provided to them by Russia. Quoting: Skizzy? Where is the unmistaken proof for that? I would like to see it. Also it would be nice to see proof that the plane was shot down with a BUK. Plain objective proof for all would be nice. Who ever done it has to take the consequences. Be it rebels, Kiev or Russia. But so far, its all accusations and no proof. Quoting: °Lucy° Why would Ukrainian forces have anti aircraft systems in that area when the separatists don't have any aircraft? What would be the point?
Anonymous Coward User ID: 60486316 Luxembourg 07/20/2014 11:26 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 marqs ‏@MarQs__ 5 min. #Kerry: It's clear that missile system used to shoot down Malaysian plane was transferred from #Russia into hands of separatists - #CNN Quoting: KneelB4Zod! #PIR: It's clear Kerry is pushing hard for WWIII because the US is bankrupt and the BRICS nations threaten the petrodollar - #GLP Quoting: PIR Kerry is a total embarrassment to his nation. Americans cringe when they hear his comments. Quoting: FormerlyBritish He is cute, now, isn't he??? [link to telemarksporten.no] Take care
°Lucy° User ID: 59967356 Germany 07/20/2014 11:31 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 ... Says who and how did they do it? Quoting: °Lucy° Strelkov (Girkin) admitted it from the beginning. And they did it with the BUK anti aircraft system provided to them by Russia. Quoting: Skizzy? Where is the unmistaken proof for that? I would like to see it. Also it would be nice to see proof that the plane was shot down with a BUK. Plain objective proof for all would be nice. Who ever done it has to take the consequences. Be it rebels, Kiev or Russia. But so far, its all accusations and no proof. Quoting: °Lucy° Why would Ukrainian forces have anti aircraft systems in that area when the separatists don't have any aircraft? What would be the point? Quoting: Skizzy? Simple point: stupidity and incompetence Conspiracy point: to plan to take out a plane and blame it on others when situation isn't progressing as wanted See, for anything there can things be said from one side or the other. This is why proof is so important. There is no point really to jump at each others throat without knowing the truth first. This also goes for all the governments. Good thing to start is the actually proof what caused the plane to fall from the sky. "He who people call a fool is not a fool, but he who takes flattery for Truth, is."
FormerlyBritish User ID: 55803746 United States 07/20/2014 11:31 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 From now on lets call the east ukrainins for THE EAST UKRAINIANS. All other names are made up by NWO, CIA and Kiev. That some of them also speak russian is irrelevant. Just because some of the prefere russia over kiev is not a reason to call then prorussian. You would call a german who likes norway for a pro norvegian separatist or some other stupid name. The live in east ukraine so they are est ukrainians. Some like russia some not, some want a union with russia some not but all of them want a independent ukraine from kiev. So the east ukrainians are fighting kiev junta. Then if there are russian volunteers then they still are fighting for and among the main group the east ukrainians. So lets not play the game of kiev and use names like separatists, terrorists, russians, russian speaking and so on. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 57003584 Better to call them what they call themselves - Formally Soyuz Narodnykh Respublikantsy or Respublikantsy for short.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 57003584 United States 07/20/2014 11:39 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 From now on lets call the east ukrainins for THE EAST UKRAINIANS. All other names are made up by NWO, CIA and Kiev. That some of them also speak russian is irrelevant. Just because some of the prefere russia over kiev is not a reason to call then prorussian. You would call a german who likes norway for a pro norvegian separatist or some other stupid name. The live in east ukraine so they are est ukrainians. Some like russia some not, some want a union with russia some not but all of them want a independent ukraine from kiev. So the east ukrainians are fighting kiev junta. Then if there are russian volunteers then they still are fighting for and among the main group the east ukrainians. So lets not play the game of kiev and use names like separatists, terrorists, russians, russian speaking and so on. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 57003584 Better to call them what they call themselves - Formally Soyuz Narodnykh Respublikantsy or Respublikantsy for short. Quoting: FormerlyBritish Yes but in english lets use East Ukrainians. OK, Good!
FormerlyBritish User ID: 55803746 United States 07/20/2014 11:39 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 marqs ‏@MarQs__ 5 min. #Kerry: It's clear that missile system used to shoot down Malaysian plane was transferred from #Russia into hands of separatists - #CNN Quoting: KneelB4Zod! #PIR: It's clear Kerry is pushing hard for WWIII because the US is bankrupt and the BRICS nations threaten the petrodollar - #GLP Quoting: PIR Kerry is a total embarrassment to his nation. Americans cringe when they hear his comments. Quoting: FormerlyBritish So this justifies shooting down the airplane? Quoting: Skizzy? Nothing to do with the aircraft, everything to do with Kerry. No-one knows how the aircraft came to crash, though satellite photos suggest it was a missile launched from Kiev controlled territory for unknown reasons.
Midlight User ID: 15147860 Netherlands 07/20/2014 11:40 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Seperatists Recorded Trying To Get The Black Boxes To Moscow [link to www.interpretermag.com] The Ukrainian Security Services (SBU) has released more leaked audio, reportedly a conversation between Oleksandr Khodakovsky, commander of the separatist's Vostok battalion and various separatist fighters and staff members. The Vostok battalion is widely regarded as Moscow's main military presence in eastern Ukraine and has been trying to establish increased control of the situation on the ground in the last month or so. We cannot verify the audio, though we have heard audio of Khodakovsky before and this sounds like him. We've provided an excerpted transcript. This first excerpted conversation reportedly takes place at 17:53 local time on July 18th. Khodakovsky is asking his man to locate the black boxes: Khodakovsky - Do it really quick. Urgently. Moscow asks where the boxes are... Who is there besides you? Are there Strelkov's guys? "Oleksiy" - I don't know. Just now OSCE people came. Khodakovsky- So, first of all they are interested in the fate of 'black boxes.' They must be under our control. Please, do this task, ok? Another conversation, reportedly recorded on July 18th at 18:10 local time, between Khodakovsky and "Andriy". Khodakovsky - I have a request for you. It is not my request. Our friends from high above are very much interested in the fate of the 'black boxes.' I mean people from Moscow. There are two items -- Khmuryi, Strelok's [sic] head of intelligence, has one. Please, cooperate with the Ministry of Emergency. All that you find must not come into somebody else's hands. Only yours, or Strelkov's people or Khmuryi's, it doesn't matter... And together with that guy from the Ministry of Emergency, Oleksiy, try to take everything that you can find... so that it doesn't get into somebody else's hands... All those people that are coming, OSCE and so on.... A conversation 50 minutes later: Oleksiy: Listen, they should look like some orange small barrels? Khodakovsky - The hell I know? You know better... Oleksiy: We found something, This is just a box -- satellite navigatuon block. It is written on it. [note - the SBU is being polite. The actual translation is "We found some sort of fucking crap. It's got 'satellite navigation' written on it" - The Interpreter] Khodakovsky - Hide it anyway. Who knows how they are described. ------ By the SSU again. Take it for what it's worth. Last Edited by Midlight on 07/20/2014 11:43 AM
Skizzy? User ID: 60324921 Estonia 07/20/2014 11:40 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 From now on lets call the east ukrainins for THE EAST UKRAINIANS. All other names are made up by NWO, CIA and Kiev. That some of them also speak russian is irrelevant. Just because some of the prefere russia over kiev is not a reason to call then prorussian. You would call a german who likes norway for a pro norvegian separatist or some other stupid name. The live in east ukraine so they are est ukrainians. Some like russia some not, some want a union with russia some not but all of them want a independent ukraine from kiev. So the east ukrainians are fighting kiev junta. Then if there are russian volunteers then they still are fighting for and among the main group the east ukrainians. So lets not play the game of kiev and use names like separatists, terrorists, russians, russian speaking and so on. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 57003584 So you are essentially saying that blue is not blue and we should call it green? Ukrainian is an ethnonym, you can't change your ethnicity based on where you are geographically located. If you are a Russian then you will remain a Russian, no matter where you are located. Europe consists of mostly nation-states, it is not like the USA where everybody is simply an "American". In Europe you are your ethnicity first of all.
FormerlyBritish User ID: 55803746 United States 07/20/2014 11:42 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 ... Says who and how did they do it? Quoting: °Lucy° Strelkov (Girkin) admitted it from the beginning. And they did it with the BUK anti aircraft system provided to them by Russia. Quoting: Skizzy? Where is the unmistaken proof for that? I would like to see it. Also it would be nice to see proof that the plane was shot down with a BUK. Plain objective proof for all would be nice. Who ever done it has to take the consequences. Be it rebels, Kiev or Russia. But so far, its all accusations and no proof. Quoting: °Lucy° Why would Ukrainian forces have anti aircraft systems in that area when the separatists don't have any aircraft? What would be the point? Quoting: Skizzy? The junta has repeatedly, and falsely, complained that Russian military aircraft have violated their airspace.
FormerlyBritish User ID: 55803746 United States 07/20/2014 11:44 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Seperatists Recorded Trying To Get The Black Boxes To Moscow [link to www.interpretermag.com] ... Quoting: Midlight interpretermag 100% bogus 100% of the time.
°Lucy° User ID: 59967356 Germany 07/20/2014 11:44 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Seperatists Recorded Trying To Get The Black Boxes To Moscow [link to www.interpretermag.com] The Ukrainian Security Services (SBU) has released more leaked audio, reportedly a conversation between Oleksandr Khodakovsky, commander of the separatist's Vostok battalion and various separatist fighters and staff members. The Vostok battalion is widely regarded as Moscow's main military presence in eastern Ukraine and has been trying to establish increased control of the situation on the ground in the last month or so. We cannot verify the audio, though we have heard audio of Khodakovsky before and this sounds like him. We've provided an excerpted transcript. This first excerpted conversation reportedly takes place at 17:53 local time on July 18th. Khodakovsky is asking his man to locate the black boxes: Khodakovsky - Do it really quick. Urgently. Moscow asks where the boxes are... Who is there besides you? Are there Strelkov's guys? "Oleksiy" - I don't know. Just now OSCE people came. Khodakovsky- So, first of all they are interested in the fate of 'black boxes.' They must be under our control. Please, do this task, ok? Another conversation, reportedly recorded on July 18th at 18:10 local time, between Khodakovsky and "Andriy". Khodakovsky - I have a request for you. It is not my request. Our friends from high above are very much interested in the fate of the 'black boxes.' I mean people from Moscow. There are two items -- Khmuryi, Strelok's [sic] head of intelligence, has one. Please, cooperate with the Ministry of Emergency. All that you find must not come into somebody else's hands. Only yours, or Strelkov's people or Khmuryi's, it doesn't matter... And together with that guy from the Ministry of Emergency, Oleksiy, try to take everything that you can find... so that it doesn't get into somebody else's hands... All those people that are coming, OSCE and so on.... A conversation 50 minutes later: Oleksiy: Listen, they should look like some orange small barrels? Khodakovsky - The hell I know? You know better... Oleksiy: We found something, This is just a box -- satellite navigatuon block. It is written on it. [note - the SBU is being polite. The actual translation is "We found some sort of fucking crap. It's got 'satellite navigation' written on it" - The Interpreter] Khodakovsky - Hide it anyway. Who knows how they are described. ------ By the SSU again. Take it for what it's worth. Quoting: Midlight Since that first "conversation" seemed to be fabricated (recorded in advance) I would take that with a whole rock of salt "He who people call a fool is not a fool, but he who takes flattery for Truth, is."
Skizzy? User ID: 60324921 Estonia 07/20/2014 11:44 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 ... Strelkov (Girkin) admitted it from the beginning. And they did it with the BUK anti aircraft system provided to them by Russia. Quoting: Skizzy? Where is the unmistaken proof for that? I would like to see it. Also it would be nice to see proof that the plane was shot down with a BUK. Plain objective proof for all would be nice. Who ever done it has to take the consequences. Be it rebels, Kiev or Russia. But so far, its all accusations and no proof. Quoting: °Lucy° Why would Ukrainian forces have anti aircraft systems in that area when the separatists don't have any aircraft? What would be the point? Quoting: Skizzy? The junta has repeatedly, and falsely, complained that Russian military aircraft have violated their airspace. Quoting: FormerlyBritish That's definitely not false, it is very common for Russian aircraft to violate foreign airspace. It has been happening for years in the Baltic states, Scandinavia, Alaska, etc...
Anonymous Coward User ID: 10426410 United States 07/20/2014 11:46 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Seperatists Recorded Trying To Get The Black Boxes To Moscow [link to www.interpretermag.com] ... Quoting: Midlight interpretermag 100% bogus 100% of the time. Quoting: FormerlyBritish INCOMPETENT BOGUS
°Lucy° User ID: 59967356 Germany 07/20/2014 11:47 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 ... Where is the unmistaken proof for that? I would like to see it. Also it would be nice to see proof that the plane was shot down with a BUK. Plain objective proof for all would be nice. Who ever done it has to take the consequences. Be it rebels, Kiev or Russia. But so far, its all accusations and no proof. Quoting: °Lucy° Why would Ukrainian forces have anti aircraft systems in that area when the separatists don't have any aircraft? What would be the point? Quoting: Skizzy? The junta has repeatedly, and falsely, complained that Russian military aircraft have violated their airspace. Quoting: FormerlyBritish That's definitely not false, it is very common for Russian aircraft to violate foreign airspace. It has been happening for years in the Baltic states, Scandinavia, Alaska, etc... Quoting: Skizzy? So this would be a reason for Ukrainian Forces to install a anti aircraft system.. "He who people call a fool is not a fool, but he who takes flattery for Truth, is."
Anonymous Coward User ID: 60479782 Portugal 07/20/2014 11:48 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Gregor Peter @L0gg0l · 28 seg Military strategist @TheWarRoom_Tom: The Kremlin is in panic (which is bad of course) [link to tomnichols.net] … Gregor Peter @L0gg0l · 1 min Biggest Dutch newspaper Telegraaf calls for NATO military intervention in Ukraine pic.twitter.com/eOrDYsJ1NU (via @justhovensgreve) #MH17
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