UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387

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UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387
Anonymous Coward User ID: 35370080 United States 05/05/2014 07:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Holy carp this is from Syria today but look at it, just look at it! Assad regime troops headquarters get blown up in Idlib: [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] New US space-based kinetic energy weapons. 'rods from God' Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35370080 More like a fucking JDAM you useless prick. If you were not in the military DO NOT try to tell others what a weapon may or may not be. Fucking fear mongering Shill Quoting: RedEyeJedi Actually son, if YOU were in the military then you would know that a JDAM is no where close to that powerful. Go back and watch the video again. That is on the order of 100 times more powerful than a JDAM. The Earth was completely cratered about 100 meters across and the ground was uplifted significantly across about 300 meters. I think you need to watch the video again several times and understand the scale of this.
ThesonofhendriX User ID: 45455788 Germany 05/05/2014 07:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Holy carp this is from Syria today but look at it, just look at it! Assad regime troops headquarters get blown up in Idlib: [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] New US space-based kinetic energy weapons. 'rods from God' Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35370080 those allah hu akbars always crack me up. Life is a dream and we are the imagination of ourselves.
ThesonofhendriX User ID: 45455788 Germany 05/05/2014 07:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Holy carp this is from Syria today but look at it, just look at it! Assad regime troops headquarters get blown up in Idlib: [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] New US space-based kinetic energy weapons. 'rods from God' Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35370080 More like a fucking JDAM you useless prick. If you were not in the military DO NOT try to tell others what a weapon may or may not be. Fucking fear mongering Shill Quoting: RedEyeJedi Actually son, if YOU were in the military then you would know that a JDAM is no where close to that powerful. Go back and watch the video again. That is on the order of 100 times more powerful than a JDAM. The Earth was completely cratered about 100 meters across and the ground was uplifted significantly across about 300 meters. I think you need to watch the video again several times and understand the scale of this. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35370080 I agree, i cant imagine that HQ being occupied, since it looks like they rigged it with explosives from the inside. Life is a dream and we are the imagination of ourselves.
RTS REDUX User ID: 56858557 United States 05/05/2014 08:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Holy carp this is from Syria today but look at it, just look at it! Assad regime troops headquarters get blown up in Idlib: [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] New US space-based kinetic energy weapons. 'rods from God' Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35370080 More like a fucking JDAM you useless prick. If you were not in the military DO NOT try to tell others what a weapon may or may not be. Fucking fear mongering Shill Quoting: RedEyeJedi Actually son, if YOU were in the military then you would know that a JDAM is no where close to that powerful. Go back and watch the video again. That is on the order of 100 times more powerful than a JDAM. The Earth was completely cratered about 100 meters across and the ground was uplifted significantly across about 300 meters. I think you need to watch the video again several times and understand the scale of this. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35370080 nefarious_acts Nefarious Acts RT @L0gg0l: No, not a North Korean nuke test. Syrian rebels detonate a huge tunnel bomb near Idlib 38 minutes ago shaw_alfie Alfie Shaw RT @erinmcunningham: Syria's Islamic Front apparently spent 2 months digging a tunnel to blow up this regime checkpoint in Idlib.
SeanoftheDead User ID: 48674479 Canada 05/05/2014 08:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 @PoliticaILine 3m US F-15 JETS INTERCEPTED A STRATEGIC RUSSIAN BOMBER NEAR GUAM Need confirmation of this Quoting: djdandew1 Meh i would say you dont need any confirmation simply because this happens alot as it is. only reason its on the news right now is because of the situation in ukraine. Literally Britain, Canada, THe US we all very regularily scramble fighter jets to intercept russian bombers. Go look it up,. Quoting: RedEyeJedi
Sun_Dancer User ID: 57739523 United States 05/05/2014 08:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Jet Bursts Into Flames Over Slavyansk [link to www.nwodissident.com] A Ukrainian jet burst into flames over Slavyansk - looks like it may have been shot down. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 57739523 Who's jet? What kind? With what did they shoot it down with? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 57443085 No jets were shot down on Monday. Its firing rockets. Notice the smoke trail the develops AHEAD of the jet as it fires rockets. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35370080 How do u know none was shot down? I have updated the original post to debunk your missile argument :).
Anonymous Coward User ID: 56035485 United States 05/05/2014 08:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Holy carp this is from Syria today but look at it, just look at it! Assad regime troops headquarters get blown up in Idlib: [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] New US space-based kinetic energy weapons. 'rods from God' Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35370080 relax my friend and give me some of what you're smoking, this is a tunnel bomb Quoting: NotZuckerberg 'plausible deniability' The Syrian rebels are not capable of doing this. so many places that have supposedly been hit by 'tunnel bombs' lately. It is space based weapons. Greater power than conventional weapons without having to go nuclear. Look at how much ground moves upwards during the explosion even off to the sides. It would have be approx 100-300 tons of explosives and a massive tunnel that somehow goes undetected while being dug out near a military regime headqaurters and then filled with truckloads and truckloads of explosives to do that .... and this certainly isnt the first one of these. There have been several just like this all over the country past few weeks. Also notice the one streamer area of dirt that is higher than all the rest, just to the right of center - that is where the rod came in from - the backblast from the impact point. Extremely high levels of energy that is transferred on impact by the rapid diisntegration of the rod made from solidified powdered metals, like a fragmentaion bullet but on a massively more energetic level. kinetic energy weapons - 'rods from God' Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35370080 I'm former military. I dont know what that was. Whatever it was, it detonated at significant depth. Thats about the largest conventional explosion you could see on a battlefield. No expert, but wouldnt a kinetic weapon produce a different shaped blast cone?
Anonymous Coward User ID: 47331455 Argentina 05/05/2014 08:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Default Argentina: In 2001 every Provincia (its like a state) print his own money. People starting to trade goods for goods, cause nobody have money. My country began to deteriorate too much. Now the crime rate have raised and Cristina Fernandez is a fuc*ing bitch that is multimillonaire. Dont trust millonaires.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 35370080 United States 05/05/2014 08:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Holy carp this is from Syria today but look at it, just look at it! Assad regime troops headquarters get blown up in Idlib: [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] New US space-based kinetic energy weapons. 'rods from God' Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35370080 relax my friend and give me some of what you're smoking, this is a tunnel bomb Quoting: NotZuckerberg 'plausible deniability' The Syrian rebels are not capable of doing this. so many places that have supposedly been hit by 'tunnel bombs' lately. It is space based weapons. Greater power than conventional weapons without having to go nuclear. Look at how much ground moves upwards during the explosion even off to the sides. It would have be approx 100-300 tons of explosives and a massive tunnel that somehow goes undetected while being dug out near a military regime headqaurters and then filled with truckloads and truckloads of explosives to do that .... and this certainly isnt the first one of these. There have been several just like this all over the country past few weeks. Also notice the one streamer area of dirt that is higher than all the rest, just to the right of center - that is where the rod came in from - the backblast from the impact point. Extremely high levels of energy that is transferred on impact by the rapid diisntegration of the rod made from solidified powdered metals, like a fragmentaion bullet but on a massively more energetic level. kinetic energy weapons - 'rods from God' Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35370080 [Luis sorry for ttaking this on a tangeat, but since my claims have been challenged ...] here is a different 'tunnel bomb' Notive the streamer area of dirt with this one also, just like the other. Again, thats backblast from the impact area of the hyper-velocity rod, in reverse direction from where the rod traveled. [link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
Anonymous Coward User ID: 57734102 Egypt 05/05/2014 08:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 You are so dumb, the russia from today has nothing to do with the russia you lived under, how often we have to say this Quoting: Anonymous Coward 57730895 I am so dumb ? You do realize that Putin has been running the country for 14 years right? He modified the constitution countless times to allow himself to stay in power indefinitely under a clever disguise of some form of democracy. He's the richest man in the country with billions upon billions of dollars in offshore bank accounts and the oligarchs in his country rule everything. What do you call an ex-KGB agent who's dream is to bring back the USSR if not a communist...but sure, Russia of today has nothing to do with Russia from the 80's. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 57731289 Can you please proof he said that or that those are his intentions? I'm suspecting you are one of those that misinterpreted his comments about the fall of the Sovjet Union and you just took it a step further out of context. The Ex-KGB agent is one of my most favorite Putin "slander key word"
Anonymous Coward User ID: 57713080 United Kingdom 05/05/2014 08:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Holy carp this is from Syria today but look at it, just look at it! Assad regime troops headquarters get blown up in Idlib: [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] New US space-based kinetic energy weapons. 'rods from God' Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35370080 relax my friend and give me some of what you're smoking, this is a tunnel bomb Quoting: NotZuckerberg 'plausible deniability' The Syrian rebels are not capable of doing this. so many places that have supposedly been hit by 'tunnel bombs' lately. It is space based weapons. Greater power than conventional weapons without having to go nuclear. Look at how much ground moves upwards during the explosion even off to the sides. It would have be approx 100-300 tons of explosives and a massive tunnel that somehow goes undetected while being dug out near a military regime headqaurters and then filled with truckloads and truckloads of explosives to do that .... and this certainly isnt the first one of these. There have been several just like this all over the country past few weeks. Also notice the one streamer area of dirt that is higher than all the rest, just to the right of center - that is where the rod came in from - the backblast from the impact point. Extremely high levels of energy that is transferred on impact by the rapid diisntegration of the rod made from solidified powdered metals, like a fragmentaion bullet but on a massively more energetic level. kinetic energy weapons - 'rods from God' Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35370080 [Luis sorry for ttaking this on a tangeat, but since my claims have been challenged ...] here is a different 'tunnel bomb' Notive the streamer area of dirt with this one also, just like the other. Again, thats backblast from the impact area of the hyper-velocity rod, in reverse direction from where the rod traveled. [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35370080 Its amazing how someone just happens to be filming the exact spot a rod of god appears from the sky and destroys a whole village. Always with praise. As if triumphant. This whole world is so crazy now.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 35370080 United States 05/05/2014 08:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Jet Bursts Into Flames Over Slavyansk [link to www.nwodissident.com] A Ukrainian jet burst into flames over Slavyansk - looks like it may have been shot down. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 57739523 Who's jet? What kind? With what did they shoot it down with? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 57443085 No jets were shot down on Monday. Its firing rockets. Notice the smoke trail the develops AHEAD of the jet as it fires rockets. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35370080 How do u know none was shot down? I have updated the original post to debunk your missile argument :). Quoting: Sun_Dancer 57739523 Its this: Aureliano Buendia @Aureliano_no_24· Mentioned #ukraine's su25s number of times. Old, crude, wickedly effective on ground targets, like a poor-man's A-10 [link to pic.twitter.com] [link to pbs.twimg.com (secure)] No jets were shot down Monday. One helicopter. Ukraine's gov has been very accurate in reporting its losses.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 35370080 United States 05/05/2014 08:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Separatist Commander Publishes Report of Today's[Monday's] Battle [link to www.interpretermag.com] The commander of the separatists in Slavyansk has published his report of today's battle. Here is a report from KP.ru, translated by The Interpreter: Igor Strelkov [Girkin], commander of the self-defense forces of the Donetsk People's republic (code-name Strelok) published his 'front round-up' on the battles 5 May near the city of Slavyansk. Igor Strelkov himself is in Slavyansk, blockaded by forces of the regular Ukrainian Army, spetsnaz, and National Guard, and continues along with the people's militia to hold the defense of the insurgent city. Here is what Strelok writes: "Today was a heavy battle. Five of my fighters died. The correlation of forces was depressing -- approximately 1 to 5 -- the guys at ring road 4 were caught in a double ambush at Semenovka -- the enemy surrounded them from both sides with 2 APCs on each side (then paratroopers landed from the helicopter and approached as well). And when the battle broke out, from the gas station they were strafed by a 'Right Sector' fighter in civilian clothing, they had not shown themselves before that. We were saved in the end by 2 trophy BMDs [airborne fighting vehicles] sent from the reserve - that enabled us to get out in one piece and carry out the wounded. This was the first 'real' battle. By the way, a senior lieutenant, a Russian, commanding the armored group, deliberately and voluntarily, without any coercion, crossed over to our side from the 25th air mobile brigade -- the only one so far. Many of the other 'amoebas' in private conversations admitted gladly that they are serving bastards and Nazis, and are continuing to 'remain loyal to their oath." The senior lieutenant commanded today bravely and professionally. According to the Ukrainian media, the enemy's losses are about the same, despite the indicated correlation of forces. They are not lying, it is true, the ring of the blockade around Slavyansk really was closed off -- Semenovka had the last 'window'. The Krasny Liman regiment once again was distinguished today -- it shot down yet another Mi-24 (from a machine gun). It fell in the water. So there are already 4 machines to the credit of my subordinates. Taking into account the ones previously damaged, we've thinned out the ranks of the helicopter depot of Ukraine pretty well. 'It's a little thing, but pleasant.'
Anonymous Coward User ID: 35370080 United States 05/05/2014 08:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 ... Who's jet? What kind? With what did they shoot it down with? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 57443085 No jets were shot down on Monday. Its firing rockets. Notice the smoke trail the develops AHEAD of the jet as it fires rockets. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35370080 Correct. It fired unguided? missiles. They tend to have some flash and smokes. Russians call them -NURS- Njeupravljajemij raketnij snarjad ?. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11357406 You guys have clearly never seen a jet fire a missle. EVER. That is the only thing i can get from what you two are saying. You are acting as if you are some "Expert" on the issue yet i dont see any credentials to say that you are who you say you are. That jet is NOT firing a missle and i highle doubt ukraine would want to make public that one of its jets was shot down. And to the guy saying shot down with what, Just think for a second about what region of the world we are talking about. You can get weapons over there that would tickle an American silly, and best part is you will never register them. Quoting: RedEyeJedi Thats twice now youve tried to correct here in the last few minutes and been wrong both times. We have Su-25's that use rocket pods and they were heavily in use on Monday. It is one of our main ground attack/close air support weapons... Its this: Aureliano Buendia @Aureliano_no_24· Mentioned #ukraine's su25s number of times. Old, crude, wickedly effective on ground targets, like a poor-man's A-10 [link to pic.twitter.com] [link to pbs.twimg.com (secure)] No jets were shot down Monday. One helicopter. Ukraine's gov has been very accurate in reporting its losses.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 35370080 United States 05/05/2014 08:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Your claims are so beyond bullshit it barely merits this response... That is NOT the ROD from GOD in any way shape or form. HAVE YOU EVER in your ENTIRE LIFE seen IN PERSON a Tunnel bomb go off, or even a jdam hit its target. Have you ever experienced a bomb going off for that matter. I highly doubt it considering if your country choice is correct you are british, living a wonderful cozy life in BRITAIN far away from any bombs or missles or Rods from Gods.... You are making false claims based solely on your OWN beliefs. That does not make what you say to be true and at most it makes it yet another theory. Please do not post about this here any further because in case you cant fucking read THIS THREAD IS ABOUT UKRAINE NOT GODS DICK FUCKING SYRIAS SHITHOLE> Understand me compandre? Quoting: RedEyeJedi Maybe you should just quit posting now, and think about getting help for your drinking also.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 57703222 Cyprus 05/05/2014 08:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 ... LOL, you are so desperate! Close Bosphorus and lose it in a matter of hours! Not gonna happen! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24670139 No, Russian, you arrogantly overestimate the abilities of Russia and naively underestimate the abilities of others. The Bosphorus is a key issue to Turkey and they are thoroughly prepared to close it effectively and Russia will not be able to do anything about it short of full scale war against Turkey which would of course mean full scale WWIII against Russia. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35370080 Yeah like every damn Greek ship owners will just stand there and watch shipping lines being disrupted and them loosing billions all the while every other country in Black sea that requires free routes for shipping will just sit there doing nothing. They will find an excuse and bomb your ass. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 57703222 You simply so not understand the simplest things. Turkey owns the Bosphorus Strait and is thoroughly prepared over many decades to control it fully through military force. They can close it to one nation only, such as Russia, while allowing all others. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35370080 They can close my a$$. Follow the damn money dude.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 56035485 United States 05/05/2014 08:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Your claims are so beyond bullshit it barely merits this response... That is NOT the ROD from GOD in any way shape or form. HAVE YOU EVER in your ENTIRE LIFE seen IN PERSON a Tunnel bomb go off, or even a jdam hit its target. Have you ever experienced a bomb going off for that matter. I highly doubt it considering if your country choice is correct you are british, living a wonderful cozy life in BRITAIN far away from any bombs or missles or Rods from Gods.... You are making false claims based solely on your OWN beliefs. That does not make what you say to be true and at most it makes it yet another theory. Please do not post about this here any further because in case you cant fucking read THIS THREAD IS ABOUT UKRAINE NOT GODS DICK FUCKING SYRIAS SHITHOLE> Understand me compandre? Quoting: RedEyeJedi Maybe you should just quit posting now, and think about getting help for your drinking also. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35370080 Hi Shill, Bye shill Quoting: RedEyeJedi enough of your spam on this thread...I want UKRAINE info, not spam (sound familiar?)
Anonymous Coward User ID: 56035485 United States 05/05/2014 08:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 ... Maybe you should just quit posting now, and think about getting help for your drinking also. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35370080 Hi Shill, Bye shill Quoting: RedEyeJedi enough of your spam on this thread...I want UKRAINE info, not spam (sound familiar?) Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56035485 So why are you contributing to this then? Looks liek we are full of shills tonight.. Quoting: RedEyeJedi Why are you so intent on spamming this thread??? C'mon man, seriously.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 56035485 United States 05/05/2014 08:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 ... enough of your spam on this thread...I want UKRAINE info, not spam (sound familiar?) Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56035485 So why are you contributing to this then? Looks liek we are full of shills tonight.. Quoting: RedEyeJedi Why are you so intent on spamming this thread??? C'mon man, seriously. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56035485 Both reported, i will be speaking with luisport as well to make sure this does not continue. Quoting: RedEyeJedi along as you're not spamming this thread and staying on topic, thats just fine.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 57723344 Bulgaria 05/05/2014 08:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Zennie Abraham @zennie62 Russia invading Ukraine in ‘slow motion,’ Harper tells NATO – CBC.ca bit.ly/Q7KIIq #ukraine
Kent User ID: 57743451 Uruguay 05/05/2014 08:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 You are so dumb, the russia from today has nothing to do with the russia you lived under, how often we have to say this Quoting: Anonymous Coward 57730895 I am so dumb ? You do realize that Putin has been running the country for 14 years right? He modified the constitution countless times to allow himself to stay in power indefinitely under a clever disguise of some form of democracy. He's the richest man in the country with billions upon billions of dollars in offshore bank accounts and the oligarchs in his country rule everything. What do you call an ex-KGB agent who's dream is to bring back the USSR if not a communist...but sure, Russia of today has nothing to do with Russia from the 80's. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 57731289 Can you please proof he said that or that those are his intentions? I'm suspecting you are one of those that misinterpreted his comments about the fall of the Sovjet Union and you just took it a step further out of context. The Ex-KGB agent is one of my most favorite Putin "slander key word" Quoting: Anonymous Coward 57734102 Sharon Tennison has written a book, and the article at link with her personal observations and experience with Putin (30 years+). Some of you might be interested to read this and get some perspective of the recent (20 years) development and change in Russia, and the character of Mr. Putin and the Russian people. Excerpt from the article, less than 50%. RUSSIA REPORT: PUTIN Friends and colleagues, As the Ukraine situation has worsened, unconscionable misinformation and hype is being poured on Russia and Vladimir Putin. Journalists and pundits must scour the Internet and thesauruses to come up with fiendish new epithets to describe both. Wherever I make presentations across America, the first question ominously asked during Q&A is always, "What about Putin?" It's time to share my thoughts which follow: Putin obviously has his faults and makes mistakes. Based on my earlier experience with him, and the experiences of trusted people, including U.S. officials who have worked closely with him over a period of years, Putin most likely is a straight, reliable and exceptionally inventive man. He is obviously a long-term thinker and planner and has proven to be an excellent analyst and strategist. He is a leader who can quietly work toward his goals under mounds of accusations and myths that have been steadily leveled at him since he became Russia's second president. I've stood by silently watching the demonization of Putin grow since it began in the early 2000s –– I pondered on computer my thoughts and concerns, hoping eventually to include them in a book (which was published in 2011). The book explains my observations more thoroughly than this article. Like others who have had direct experience with this little known man, I've tried to no avail to avoid being labeled a "Putin apologist". If one is even neutral about him, they are considered "soft on Putin" by pundits, news hounds and average citizens who get their news from CNN, Fox and MSNBC. I don't pretend to be an expert, just a program developer in the USSR and Russia for the past 30 years. But during this time, I've have had far more direct, on-ground contact with Russians of all stripes across 11 time zones than any of the Western reporters or for that matter any of Washington's officials. I've been in country long enough to ponder Russian history and culture deeply, to study their psychology and conditioning, and to understand the marked differences between American and Russian mentalities which so complicate our political relations with their leaders. As with personalities in a family or a civic club or in a city hall, it takes understanding and compromise to be able to create workable relationships when basic conditionings are different. Washington has been notoriously disinterested in understanding these differences and attempting to meet Russia halfway. In addition to my personal experience with Putin, I've had discussions with numerous American officials and U.S. businessmen who have had years of experience working with him––I believe it is safe to say that none would describe him as "brutal" or "thuggish", or the other slanderous adjectives and nouns that are repeatedly used in western media. I met Putin years before he ever dreamed of being president of Russia, as did many of us working in St.Petersburg during the 1990s. Since all of the slander started, I've become nearly obsessed with understanding his character. I think I've read every major speech he has given (including the full texts of his annual hours-long telephone "talk-ins" with Russian citizens). I've been trying to ascertain whether he has changed for the worse since being elevated to the presidency, or whether he is a straight character cast into a role he never anticipated––and is using sheer wits to try to do the best he can to deal with Washington under extremely difficult circumstances. If the latter is the case, and I think it is, he should get high marks for his performance over the past 14 years. It's not by accident that Forbes declared him the most Powerful Leader of 2013, replacing Obama who was given the title for 2012. The following is my one personal experience with Putin. The year was 1992: It was two years after the implosion of communism; the place was St.Petersburg. For years I had been creating programs to open up relations between the two countries and hopefully to help Soviet people to get beyond their entrenched top-down mentalities. A new program possibility emerged in my head. Since I expected it might require a signature from the Marienskii City Hall, an appointment was made. My friend Volodya Shestakov and I showed up at a side door entrance to the Marienskii building. We found ourselves in a small, dull brown office, facing a rather trim nondescript man in a brown suit. He inquired about my reason for coming in. After scanning the proposal I provided he began asking intelligent questions. After each of my answers, he asked the next relevant question. I became aware that this interviewer was different from other Soviet bureaucrats who always seemed to fall into chummy conversations with foreigners with hopes of obtaining bribes in exchange for the Americans' requests. CCI stood on the principle that we would never, never give bribes. This bureaucrat was open, inquiring, and impersonal in demeanor. After more than an hour of careful questions and answers, he quietly explained that he had tried hard to determine if the proposal was legal, then said that unfortunately at the time it was not. A few good words about the proposal were uttered. That was all. He simply and kindly showed us to the door. Out on the sidewalk, I said to my colleague, "Volodya, this is the first time we have ever dealt with a Soviet bureaucrat who didn't ask us for a trip to the US or something valuable!" I remember looking at his business card in the sunlight––it read Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin. 1994: U.S. Consul General Jack Gosnell put in an SOS call to me in St.Petersburg. He had 14 Congress members and the new American Ambassador to Russia, Thomas Pickering, coming to St.Petersburg in the next three days. He needed immediate help. I scurried over to the Consulate and learned that Jack intended me to brief this auspicious delegation and the incoming ambassador. I was stunned but he insisted. They were coming from Moscow and were furious about how U.S. funding was being wasted there. Jack wanted them to hear the"good news" about CCI's programs that were showing fine results. In the next 24 hours Jack and I also set up "home" meetings in a dozen Russian entrepreneurs' small apartments for the arriving dignitaries (St.Petersburg State Department people were aghast, since it had never been done before––but Jack overruled). Only later in 2000, did I learn of Jack's former three-year experience with Vladimir Putin in the 1990s while the latter was running the city for Mayor Sobchak. More on this further down. December 31, 1999: With no warning, at the turn of the year, President Boris Yeltsin made the announcement to the world that from the next day forward he was vacating his office and leaving Russia in the hands of an unknown Vladimir Putin. On hearing the news, I thought surely not the Putin I remembered––he could never lead Russia. The next day a NYT article included a photo. Yes, it was the same Putin I'd met years ago! I was shocked and dismayed, telling friends, "This is a disaster for Russia, I've spent time with this guy, he is too introverted and too intelligent––he will never be able to relate to Russia's masses." Further, I lamented: "For Russia to get up off of its knees, two things must happen: 1) The arrogant young oligarchs have to be removed by force from the Kremlin, and 2) A way must be found to remove the regional bosses (governors) from their fiefdoms across Russia's 89 regions". It was clear to me that the man in the brown suit would never have the instincts or guts to tackle Russia's overriding twin challenges. February 2000: Almost immediately Putin began putting Russia's oligarchs on edge. In February a question about the oligarchs came up; he clarified with a question and his answer: "What should be the relationship with the so-called oligarchs? The same as anyone else. The same as the owner of a small bakery or a shoe repair shop." This was the first signal that the tycoons would no longer be able to flaunt government regulations or count on special access in the Kremlin. It also made the West's capitalists nervous. After all, these oligarchs were wealthy untouchable businessmen––good capitalists, never mind that they got their enterprises illegally and were putting their profits in offshore banks. Link: [link to www.russiaotherpointsofview.com] Take care
Anonymous Coward User ID: 49462378 United States 05/05/2014 08:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Noticing ALOT of posters appearing over the past day or so with absolutely no country or anything listed. Completely anonymous people that are doing nothing but posting things that either have little to absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand OR are shilling the living shit out of us. I think we need a strong sweep and cleanup like ukraine is doing lol...but seriously this needs to be kept in check because i am having to sift through pages of information just to pick out small tidbits about ukraine. Quoting: RedEyeJedi
Anonymous Coward User ID: 57723344 Bulgaria 05/05/2014 08:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 WTF is Moldoava? I thought you are European
johnswahoo User ID: 48143433 United States 05/05/2014 08:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Holy carp this is from Syria today but look at it, just look at it! Assad regime troops headquarters get blown up in Idlib: [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] New US space-based kinetic energy weapons. 'rods from God' Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35370080 More like a fucking JDAM you useless prick. If you were not in the military DO NOT try to tell others what a weapon may or may not be. Fucking fear mongering Shill Quoting: RedEyeJedi Actually son, if YOU were in the military then you would know that a JDAM is no where close to that powerful. Go back and watch the video again. That is on the order of 100 times more powerful than a JDAM. The Earth was completely cratered about 100 meters across and the ground was uplifted significantly across about 300 meters. I think you need to watch the video again several times and understand the scale of this. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35370080 Actually son a single jdam can if properly placed on target take out over half a city block. That video is not even close to have a city block... It is a single compound. Do you not understand when they say that it is the "Headquarters" implying that it at most would be a compound. You are doing nothing but fantasizing about your rod filled dreams. This terrible weapon you speak of must as i have said in the past be responsible for Americas OVERWHELMING victories in iraq and afghanistan... ALSO... I never ONCE claimed to BE IN the MILITARY. I simply said that you are acting as if you know everything there is to know about this. When you clearly don't know fuck all which is about as much as any civilian would know about it. I have QUITE a few members of my family serving in 4 separate militaries around the world. So I can safely guesstimate at such things. But this i know exactly what i am saying and i know exactly what you are doing. Take your Syria shit to your shill thread and stay out of this one. I am recommending you for a banning from this thread for multiple attempts at derailing it. Quoting: RedEyeJedi While that was pretty cool, it was pretty nice to hear the crying out of Allah Snackbar! "Offer me money, offer me power... I don't care."
Anonymous Coward User ID: 9827179 Montenegro 05/05/2014 08:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 they are attention whores that's why
Anonymous Coward User ID: 56035485 United States 05/05/2014 08:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 ... Why are you so intent on spamming this thread??? C'mon man, seriously. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56035485 Both reported, i will be speaking with luisport as well to make sure this does not continue. Quoting: RedEyeJedi along as you're not spamming this thread and staying on topic, thats just fine. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56035485 What does anything you have said so far have anything to do with UKRAINE. The members of this thread that know me know i have done this many times to try to bring the thread back on topic. Again Can you PLEASE talk about ukraine or fuck off. All your doing is acting like a 5 year old towards me. Your sarcasm is a tad bland as well and does not work in the least on me. Last thing we were discussing was the jet that may or may not have been shot down. Anything to add on that? Quoting: RedEyeJedi Again, lets focus on Ukraine - thanks!
Anonymous Coward User ID: 56035485 United States 05/05/2014 09:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 ... along as you're not spamming this thread and staying on topic, thats just fine. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56035485 What does anything you have said so far have anything to do with UKRAINE. The members of this thread that know me know i have done this many times to try to bring the thread back on topic. Again Can you PLEASE talk about ukraine or fuck off. All your doing is acting like a 5 year old towards me. Your sarcasm is a tad bland as well and does not work in the least on me. Last thing we were discussing was the jet that may or may not have been shot down. Anything to add on that? Quoting: RedEyeJedi Again, lets focus on Ukraine - thanks! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56035485 I wish you understood the term "Practice what you preach".... Dont worry, youll be having to make a new account if you want to post on here again very soon. Quoting: RedEyeJedi Just drop it, I'm hear to discuss Ukraine, not you and your opinions. thanks!
Anonymous Coward User ID: 57734102 Egypt 05/05/2014 09:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 You are so dumb, the russia from today has nothing to do with the russia you lived under, how often we have to say this Quoting: Anonymous Coward 57730895 I am so dumb ? You do realize that Putin has been running the country for 14 years right? He modified the constitution countless times to allow himself to stay in power indefinitely under a clever disguise of some form of democracy. He's the richest man in the country with billions upon billions of dollars in offshore bank accounts and the oligarchs in his country rule everything. What do you call an ex-KGB agent who's dream is to bring back the USSR if not a communist...but sure, Russia of today has nothing to do with Russia from the 80's. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 57731289 Can you please proof he said that or that those are his intentions? I'm suspecting you are one of those that misinterpreted his comments about the fall of the Sovjet Union and you just took it a step further out of context. The Ex-KGB agent is one of my most favorite Putin "slander key word" Quoting: Anonymous Coward 57734102 Sharon Tennison has written a book, and the article at link with her personal observations and experience with Putin (30 years+). Some of you might be interested to read this and get some perspective of the recent (20 years) development and change in Russia, and the character of Mr. Putin and the Russian people. Excerpt from the article, less than 50%. RUSSIA REPORT: PUTIN Friends and colleagues, As the Ukraine situation has worsened, unconscionable misinformation and hype is being poured on Russia and Vladimir Putin. Journalists and pundits must scour the Internet and thesauruses to come up with fiendish new epithets to describe both. Wherever I make presentations across America, the first question ominously asked during Q&A is always, "What about Putin?" It's time to share my thoughts which follow: Putin obviously has his faults and makes mistakes. Based on my earlier experience with him, and the experiences of trusted people, including U.S. officials who have worked closely with him over a period of years, Putin most likely is a straight, reliable and exceptionally inventive man. He is obviously a long-term thinker and planner and has proven to be an excellent analyst and strategist. He is a leader who can quietly work toward his goals under mounds of accusations and myths that have been steadily leveled at him since he became Russia's second president. I've stood by silently watching the demonization of Putin grow since it began in the early 2000s –– I pondered on computer my thoughts and concerns, hoping eventually to include them in a book (which was published in 2011). The book explains my observations more thoroughly than this article. Like others who have had direct experience with this little known man, I've tried to no avail to avoid being labeled a "Putin apologist". If one is even neutral about him, they are considered "soft on Putin" by pundits, news hounds and average citizens who get their news from CNN, Fox and MSNBC. I don't pretend to be an expert, just a program developer in the USSR and Russia for the past 30 years. But during this time, I've have had far more direct, on-ground contact with Russians of all stripes across 11 time zones than any of the Western reporters or for that matter any of Washington's officials. I've been in country long enough to ponder Russian history and culture deeply, to study their psychology and conditioning, and to understand the marked differences between American and Russian mentalities which so complicate our political relations with their leaders. As with personalities in a family or a civic club or in a city hall, it takes understanding and compromise to be able to create workable relationships when basic conditionings are different. Washington has been notoriously disinterested in understanding these differences and attempting to meet Russia halfway. In addition to my personal experience with Putin, I've had discussions with numerous American officials and U.S. businessmen who have had years of experience working with him––I believe it is safe to say that none would describe him as "brutal" or "thuggish", or the other slanderous adjectives and nouns that are repeatedly used in western media. I met Putin years before he ever dreamed of being president of Russia, as did many of us working in St.Petersburg during the 1990s. Since all of the slander started, I've become nearly obsessed with understanding his character. I think I've read every major speech he has given (including the full texts of his annual hours-long telephone "talk-ins" with Russian citizens). I've been trying to ascertain whether he has changed for the worse since being elevated to the presidency, or whether he is a straight character cast into a role he never anticipated––and is using sheer wits to try to do the best he can to deal with Washington under extremely difficult circumstances. If the latter is the case, and I think it is, he should get high marks for his performance over the past 14 years. It's not by accident that Forbes declared him the most Powerful Leader of 2013, replacing Obama who was given the title for 2012. The following is my one personal experience with Putin. The year was 1992: It was two years after the implosion of communism; the place was St.Petersburg. For years I had been creating programs to open up relations between the two countries and hopefully to help Soviet people to get beyond their entrenched top-down mentalities. A new program possibility emerged in my head. Since I expected it might require a signature from the Marienskii City Hall, an appointment was made. My friend Volodya Shestakov and I showed up at a side door entrance to the Marienskii building. We found ourselves in a small, dull brown office, facing a rather trim nondescript man in a brown suit. He inquired about my reason for coming in. After scanning the proposal I provided he began asking intelligent questions. After each of my answers, he asked the next relevant question. I became aware that this interviewer was different from other Soviet bureaucrats who always seemed to fall into chummy conversations with foreigners with hopes of obtaining bribes in exchange for the Americans' requests. CCI stood on the principle that we would never, never give bribes. This bureaucrat was open, inquiring, and impersonal in demeanor. After more than an hour of careful questions and answers, he quietly explained that he had tried hard to determine if the proposal was legal, then said that unfortunately at the time it was not. A few good words about the proposal were uttered. That was all. He simply and kindly showed us to the door. Out on the sidewalk, I said to my colleague, "Volodya, this is the first time we have ever dealt with a Soviet bureaucrat who didn't ask us for a trip to the US or something valuable!" I remember looking at his business card in the sunlight––it read Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin. 1994: U.S. Consul General Jack Gosnell put in an SOS call to me in St.Petersburg. He had 14 Congress members and the new American Ambassador to Russia, Thomas Pickering, coming to St.Petersburg in the next three days. He needed immediate help. I scurried over to the Consulate and learned that Jack intended me to brief this auspicious delegation and the incoming ambassador. I was stunned but he insisted. They were coming from Moscow and were furious about how U.S. funding was being wasted there. Jack wanted them to hear the"good news" about CCI's programs that were showing fine results. In the next 24 hours Jack and I also set up "home" meetings in a dozen Russian entrepreneurs' small apartments for the arriving dignitaries (St.Petersburg State Department people were aghast, since it had never been done before––but Jack overruled). Only later in 2000, did I learn of Jack's former three-year experience with Vladimir Putin in the 1990s while the latter was running the city for Mayor Sobchak. More on this further down. December 31, 1999: With no warning, at the turn of the year, President Boris Yeltsin made the announcement to the world that from the next day forward he was vacating his office and leaving Russia in the hands of an unknown Vladimir Putin. On hearing the news, I thought surely not the Putin I remembered––he could never lead Russia. The next day a NYT article included a photo. Yes, it was the same Putin I'd met years ago! I was shocked and dismayed, telling friends, "This is a disaster for Russia, I've spent time with this guy, he is too introverted and too intelligent––he will never be able to relate to Russia's masses." Further, I lamented: "For Russia to get up off of its knees, two things must happen: 1) The arrogant young oligarchs have to be removed by force from the Kremlin, and 2) A way must be found to remove the regional bosses (governors) from their fiefdoms across Russia's 89 regions". It was clear to me that the man in the brown suit would never have the instincts or guts to tackle Russia's overriding twin challenges. February 2000: Almost immediately Putin began putting Russia's oligarchs on edge. In February a question about the oligarchs came up; he clarified with a question and his answer: "What should be the relationship with the so-called oligarchs? The same as anyone else. The same as the owner of a small bakery or a shoe repair shop." This was the first signal that the tycoons would no longer be able to flaunt government regulations or count on special access in the Kremlin. It also made the West's capitalists nervous. After all, these oligarchs were wealthy untouchable businessmen––good capitalists, never mind that they got their enterprises illegally and were putting their profits in offshore banks. Link: [link to www.russiaotherpointsofview.com] Take care Quoting: Kent 57743451 Thanks
Anonymous Coward User ID: 56035485 United States 05/05/2014 09:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 NATO's Top Commander: Russia Won't Invade Ukraine [link to www.voanews.com]
Kent User ID: 57743451 Uruguay 05/05/2014 09:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Noticing ALOT of posters appearing over the past day or so with absolutely no country or anything listed. Completely anonymous people that are doing nothing but posting things that either have little to absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand OR are shilling the living shit out of us. I think we need a strong sweep and cleanup like ukraine is doing lol...but seriously this needs to be kept in check because i am having to sift through pages of information just to pick out small tidbits about ukraine. Quoting: RedEyeJedi I beg to differ my friend. We all have to sift through info, here and elsewhere, (especially here). Always been like that on GLP. It appears to me that you at present are a major contributor to the pile of non-related "filler" that we have to shift through. Where were you for the first 1200 pages of this thread=? And what do you consider to be your best and most valuable contributions?? Link: [link to fotovision.no] Take care
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