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If you were Putin, would you just let the EU/US/fascists walk in Kiev knowing damn well that they were involved from the beginning in overthrowing a guy who supported your country and was legally and democratically elected twice by the Ukrainian people? Kiev is a threat to Moscow because kiev is tied in every way to Brussels and D.C. Every bit of talk coming out of western capitals is just politics, they are playing our flutes on the TV and most mice will follow it's tune.

Cuba is a great example. a pro-Russian came to power there and look at what the US did. Bay of Pigs invasion, nukes at the ready, warships all over the place, etc. and to this day we still embargo him and his country. Hypocrisy, arrogance, imperialism rules the west.
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Russian Navy: U.S. Navy missile frigate Taylor is still in the Black Sea

Policy 2 марта, 18:42 UTC+4
MOSCOW, March 2. / ITAR-TASS /. Missile frigate Taylor managed the U.S. Navy, which entered the Black Sea on February 5, is still in its waters in the Turkish port of Samsun, supposedly repaired. Itar-Tass reported in the General Staff of the Russian Navy.

"Under the provisions of the Montreux Convention mode passage of warships in the Black Sea through the Dardanelles and the Bosphorus, finding warships of non-Black Sea countries may not exceed 21 days. Therefore entered the Black Sea on February 5 command ship" Mount Whitney "retired from the Black Sea February 25, and the second U.S. Navy ship - missile frigate Taylor, Grounded in the Turkish port of Samsun a few days after his stay in the Black Sea in international waters, remains in that port, presumably in connection with the repair of the failed series mechanisms "- said Itar-Tass.

"Thus, the frigate Taylor continues to be in the Black Sea", - concluded the source of the Main Staff, recalling that during his stay in the Black Sea, none of the American ships turn neither in Russian nor Ukrainian ports.

He also said that the flagship of the Ukrainian Navy frigate "Hetman Sahaidachny" who participated in the anti-piracy mission in conjunction with the warships of NATO and the EU in the Gulf of Aden, the Court is in a port on the island of Crete in the Mediterranean Sea. "His arrival at the home is expected on March 5-6," - said Itar-Tass.
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LOL

So they can piss on the Budapest Memorandum but the US can't piss on the Montreaux Convention? Fucking russkies high on vodka again.
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putin is sending a motorgang to the crimea "Russia The Night Wolves" 5000 men strong. (Putin is also a member of this gang)
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675,000 Ukrainian refugees entering Russia.
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According to who?
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I READ THIS INFO IS BS...
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If you were Putin, would you just let the EU/US/fascists walk in Kiev knowing damn well that they were involved from the beginning in overthrowing a guy who supported your country and was legally and democratically elected twice by the Ukrainian people? Kiev is a threat to Moscow because kiev is tied in every way to Brussels and D.C. Every bit of talk coming out of western capitals is just politics, they are playing our flutes on the TV and most mice will follow it's tune.

Cuba is a great example. a pro-Russian came to power there and look at what the US did. Bay of Pigs invasion, nukes at the ready, warships all over the place, etc. and to this day we still embargo him and his country. Hypocrisy, arrogance, imperialism rules the west.
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go away commie
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@GermanyDiplo : FM #Steinmeier: Urgently call on #Russia to desist from any violation of #Ukraine’s sovereignty and territorial integrity.

Can we now add Germany too?

UK
US
Poland
Germany
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1495876


I´d say you can definitely add Germany. I would also expect Germany to be very supportive of Klitschko, after all he is kinda "celebrity" here.
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no you can remove Germany, since germany is a very close ally of russia. merkel and putin both speak russian and german. putins ex wife is german.
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You might be surprised if there has to be a decision to be made... Currently its trying to "keep the peace" and its a warning of not being put in a situation where a decision has to be made. Would be a hard one...
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John Kerry: ‘All Options on the Table’ to Hold Russia Accountable in Ukraine
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Secretary of State John Kerry said that “all options are on the table” when it comes to steps the U.S. can take to hold Russia accountable for its military movements in Ukraine, including economic sanctions and potentially military action.

What? I thought he said "NO" twice?
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oh oh the horse is tough now!
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John Kerry: "You can't invade another country on phony pretexts"

uhhhhh didn't we do that in Iraq? LOL
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@GermanyDiplo : FM #Steinmeier: Urgently call on #Russia to desist from any violation of #Ukraine’s sovereignty and territorial integrity.

Can we now add Germany too?

UK
US
Poland
Germany
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I´d say you can definitely add Germany. I would also expect Germany to be very supportive of Klitschko, after all he is kinda "celebrity" here.
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Of course germany is added, now this whole Klitschko career makes sense.

And on Germanys side you simly addon Israel
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675,000 Ukrainian refugees entering Russia.
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According to who?
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I READ THIS INFO IS BS...
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rg.ru
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John Kerry: ‘All Options on the Table’ to Hold Russia Accountable in Ukraine
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Secretary of State John Kerry said that “all options are on the table” when it comes to steps the U.S. can take to hold Russia accountable for its military movements in Ukraine, including economic sanctions and potentially military action.

What? I thought he said "NO" twice?
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oh oh the horse is tough now!
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This whole thing is interrupting his time on the golf course. He's all talk.
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Totally different circumstances. He also negotiated with Russia. But Hitler was in power and being externally aggressive at the time. He negotiated when he clearly had the upper hand to impose his will. Hitler only negotiated as a deceptive tactic to further his military goals. Russia has insinuated that the maiden and overthrow of Yanukovych, is a Reichstag moment. Fascists on the rise, ready to take control of Ukraine and repeat history. If that were true, Tyhanbok would be better served to stoke nationalist sentiment and be outwardly aggressive to the foreign invaders. Especially the Russians. Whom he rails against frequently. A willingness to negotiate implies that Svoboda isn't as extremist as the Russians would would like to paint them and invalidates their premise for acting militarily. It paints Russia as the extremist who acted with force first, while many diplomatic avenues existed to resolve their concerns.
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I have no idea what you're talking about. It was by force that the Svoboda and their allies took power in Kiev.
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Svoboda didn't take power, Fatherland did. Svoboda might be the second most powerful party in Ukraine.
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They would have never managed to take power without Svoboda and Right sector and their violent methods. So it is them who have taken power and who in control. At least up until the next elections.


But that's a far cry from leadership. Also, what happened in Ukraine was an internal political event. None of Russia's business. Russia didn't even give Kiev's new govt an opportunity to be conciliatory to east Ukraine. They moved with force, immediately. Justify that if you can.
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They were called in by the legitimate representatives of Ukraine and Crimea.
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That's how I'm seeing it, at least for now. It's like if I, as a legitimate homeowner, invited someone over for dinner. Then those people I invited were accused of breaking in and stealing my food. Doesn't make sense.
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675,000 Ukrainian refugees entering Russia.
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According to who?
 Quoting: Lime Flavoured Redux


I READ THIS INFO IS BS...
 Quoting: Luisport


rg.ru
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 45015587


".ru"?

Yeah. I'm not going to trust a Russian source on that.
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I have no idea what you're talking about. It was by force that the Svoboda and their allies took power in Kiev.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43522607


Svoboda didn't take power, Fatherland did. Svoboda might be the second most powerful party in Ukraine.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 40631819


They would have never managed to take power without Svoboda and Right sector and their violent methods. So it is them who have taken power and who in control. At least up until the next elections.


But that's a far cry from leadership. Also, what happened in Ukraine was an internal political event. None of Russia's business. Russia didn't even give Kiev's new govt an opportunity to be conciliatory to east Ukraine. They moved with force, immediately. Justify that if you can.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 40631819


They were called in by the legitimate representatives of Ukraine and Crimea.
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Well if that's true and they have so much power, then why isn't Tyhanbok the PM? Also, the Crimea has no right to request foreign troops into sovereign Ukrainian territory.
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Yeah they do, as well as Yanukovich, the legal president of Ukraine.
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675,000 Ukrainian refugees entering Russia.
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According to who?
 Quoting: Lime Flavoured Redux


I READ THIS INFO IS BS...
 Quoting: Luisport


rg.ru
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In Russia in 2014 came to almost 700,000 refugees from Ukraine
02.03.2014, 15:32

Within two months of this year came to 675,000 Russian citizens of Ukraine. Such data has Border Service of the Russian Federation, reports ITAR-TASS . Thus for the last two weeks of February, according to the FMS for asylum in Russia appealed 143,000 Ukrainian citizens.

Russian agencies note that in case of continuation of "revolutionary chaos" in Ukraine, hundreds of thousands of refugees will flood into the border regions of Russia. Russian authorities fix distinct signs of impending humanitarian catastrophe. In February 2014 the migration flows from Ukraine increased in the Rostov region of 53%, the Kursk - 71%.

People apply for asylum, obtaining Russian citizenship in a simplified manner. "Hundreds of people - representatives of local authorities, law enforcement agencies, law enforcement agencies at the border claim that they had been harassed and threatened violence, - the Border Service. - Many citizens of Ukraine confused, frightened, emotionally depressed."

[link to www.rg.ru]
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John Kerry: ‘All Options on the Table’ to Hold Russia Accountable in Ukraine
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Secretary of State John Kerry said that “all options are on the table” when it comes to steps the U.S. can take to hold Russia accountable for its military movements in Ukraine, including economic sanctions and potentially military action.

What? I thought he said "NO" twice?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1495876


oh oh the horse is tough now!
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Snr Pentagon official: Has been no request from the White House for military options for Ukraine. [link to t.co]

Still!!!
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Does the 1994 Budapest Agreement put #Ukraine under the US nuclear umbrella?
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@GermanyDiplo : FM #Steinmeier: Urgently call on #Russia to desist from any violation of #Ukraine’s sovereignty and territorial integrity.

Can we now add Germany too?

UK
US
Poland
Germany
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I´d say you can definitely add Germany. I would also expect Germany to be very supportive of Klitschko, after all he is kinda "celebrity" here.
 Quoting: °Lucy°


no you can remove Germany, since germany is a very close ally of russia. merkel and putin both speak russian and german. putins ex wife is german.
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You might be surprised if there has to be a decision to be made... Currently its trying to "keep the peace" and its a warning of not being put in a situation where a decision has to be made. Would be a hard one...
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not for germany though. Germany would never support an attack on Russia.

There is no peace anymore. Putin decides to pull back out of crimea, which will not happen or the Nato tries to force him to do so.

Either way the world has changed yesterday and Germany will be like the Switzerland a neutral state.
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The dead of Tom clancy several weeks ago.... is it related? Would love to know his insight.
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Crazy enough - his last book before he died . . . was about Russian military intervention in the Ukraine
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Get outta heah! Whoa.
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Does the 1994 Budapest Agreement put #Ukraine under the US nuclear umbrella?
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It doesn't really mean much to be honest..I mean Russia signed that as well and now they are invading Ukraine. Those memorandums don't pull much weight.
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If you were Putin, would you just let the EU/US/fascists walk in Kiev knowing damn well that they were involved from the beginning in overthrowing a guy who supported your country and was legally and democratically elected twice by the Ukrainian people? Kiev is a threat to Moscow because kiev is tied in every way to Brussels and D.C. Every bit of talk coming out of western capitals is just politics, they are playing our flutes on the TV and most mice will follow it's tune.

Cuba is a great example. a pro-Russian came to power there and look at what the US did. Bay of Pigs invasion, nukes at the ready, warships all over the place, etc. and to this day we still embargo him and his country. Hypocrisy, arrogance, imperialism rules the west.
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honesty, modesty and moderation rules the east. KGB made sure that it does!!!!
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NATO holds emergency meeting on Ukraine: [link to t.co] Says Russia's actions are threatening peace in Europe

tick-tock
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Doom on or off?
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Does the 1994 Budapest Agreement put #Ukraine under the US nuclear umbrella?
 Quoting: Unit 88


It doesn't really mean much to be honest..I mean Russia signed that as well and now they are invading Ukraine. Those memorandums don't pull much weight.
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Yeah, lets nuke the russians, to save the russians, from the russians.

Makes sense.
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Doom on or off?
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"Pending" lol.
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NATO holds emergency meeting on Ukraine: [link to t.co] Says Russia's actions are threatening peace in Europe

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very tough!

putin will absolutely agree and send more troops into ukraine!
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Once Russia secures Crimea then they may move into the east.
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I´d say you can definitely add Germany. I would also expect Germany to be very supportive of Klitschko, after all he is kinda "celebrity" here.
 Quoting: °Lucy°


no you can remove Germany, since germany is a very close ally of russia. merkel and putin both speak russian and german. putins ex wife is german.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 54378535


You might be surprised if there has to be a decision to be made... Currently its trying to "keep the peace" and its a warning of not being put in a situation where a decision has to be made. Would be a hard one...
 Quoting: °Lucy°


not for germany though. Germany would never support an attack on Russia.

There is no peace anymore. Putin decides to pull back out of crimea, which will not happen or the Nato tries to force him to do so.

Either way the world has changed yesterday and Germany will be like the Switzerland a neutral state.
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That wasn't how Angela Merkel sounded when she spoke to the British parliament the other day, pretty much sounded like she supported Europe supporting Ukraine.
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675,000 Ukrainian refugees entering Russia.
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According to who?
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Authorities!


An estimated 675,000 Ukrainians left for Russia in January and February, fearing the “revolutionary chaos” brewing in Ukraine, Russia's Federal Border Guard Service said. Officials fear a growing humanitarian crisis.

On Sunday, the border guard service said Russian authorities have identified definite signs that a “humanitarian catastrophe” is brewing in Ukraine.

“In just the past two months (January-February) of this year…675,000 Ukrainian citizens have entered Russian territory,” Itar-Tass news agency cited the service as saying.

"If 'revolutionary chaos' in Ukraine continues, hundreds of thousands of refugees will flow into bordering Russian regions," the statement read.


or should we trust to BBC perhaps drevil





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