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RT @RT_com · 18 seg

Australian PM hints Putin may be dropped from G20 summit over #MH17 crash [link to on.rt.com]

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Shut up, of course they've got access to the site. It's told by the OSCE observers themselves.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 40117249

False.

[link to www.theguardian.com]
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The situation there descended into chaos on Saturday as "experts" of unknown provenance moved bodies decomposing in the baking heat from fields to the roadside, and used bags to collect body parts. A spokesman for the OSCE, Michael Bociurkiw, said: "Some of the body bags are open and the damage to the corpses is very, very bad – it is very difficult to look at."
...
However, there were no recognisable international or even Ukrainian experts at the crash site, which was completely controlled by rebel gunmen.
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Catherina ‏@Catherina_News 4m

United Kingdom, Germany and France have agreed to impose new sanctions against Russia [link to j.mp]
 Quoting: steelseries


Oh damn...
 Quoting: Falter


What are these sanctions? Sending Putin to bed without any dinner?
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And what is with the story running now saying they will be given to the international experts?
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Perhaps the Russian tampering is already complete?
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RT @RT_com · 18 seg

Australian PM hints Putin may be dropped from G20 summit over #MH17 crash [link to on.rt.com]


 Quoting: Luisport


Whats up with these Australians, Brits and Canadians, they look like rabid poodles of NWO?? Always the most extreme ones...
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Babay ‏@Truth_Seeker_11 3 min.
Overnight #Ukraine shelled #Lysychansk with white phosphorus CW [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] …


 Quoting: KneelB4Zod!


Seems real. Two different videos from different locations showing the same attack claiming it was last night.

Plus they've apparently done it last month as well in a small town, AND it's proven Ukraine has white phosphor.

There's no right or wrong in this war. Petroshenko allowing the killing of his own civilians instead of doing an honest attempt at diplomacy or coming to a peaceful solution. Even going so far as to use chemical weapons! But the fighters of the different anti-Kiev groups are just as belligerent. They also don't see any other solution than arming themselves and doing an armed revolt, going so far as to shoot down civilian planes.
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Shut up, of course they've got access to the site. It's told by the OSCE observers themselves.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 40117249

False.

[link to www.theguardian.com]
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The situation there descended into chaos on Saturday as "experts" of unknown provenance moved bodies decomposing in the baking heat from fields to the roadside, and used bags to collect body parts. A spokesman for the OSCE, Michael Bociurkiw, said: "Some of the body bags are open and the damage to the corpses is very, very bad – it is very difficult to look at."
...
However, there were no recognisable international or even Ukrainian experts at the crash site, which was completely controlled by rebel gunmen.
---
 Quoting: Skeptic the First


Last thing I heard they international investigators (100 of them) are still in Kiev, because Kiev told them they shouldn't get there in a hurry and safety can't be assured. So far only OSCE on site
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Hi all hi

Just home from work and trying to catch up. Anything new?
 Quoting: °Lucy°


Hai! Just got home aswell.
Nothing huge I guess tounge
 Quoting: Falter


Still the blame game.... and armies moving. Good thing the black boxes will go straight to the international experts.

Would be interesting what would happen if things are not as they are made appear to be
 Quoting: °Lucy°


Good the black boxes are going to the international experts. The question is...who is paying the international experts? Who's side are they on? Can't trust anybody, anymore.
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Catherina ‏@Catherina_News 4m

United Kingdom, Germany and France have agreed to impose new sanctions against Russia [link to j.mp]
 Quoting: steelseries


Oh damn...
 Quoting: Falter


What are these sanctions? Sending Putin to bed without any dinner?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 60323580


Maybe the banning the import to Russia of gay rainbow flags?

chuckle
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#Kerry: It's clear that missile system used to shoot down Malaysian plane was transferred from #Russia into hands of separatists - #CNN
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Another red line situation? Amazing to think that the Syria situation was almost a year ago.
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Catherina ‏@Catherina_News 4m

United Kingdom, Germany and France have agreed to impose new sanctions against Russia [link to j.mp]
 Quoting: steelseries


Oh damn...
 Quoting: Falter


What are these sanctions? Sending Putin to bed without any dinner?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 60323580


The website say: "July 19 Council of the EU has added an expanded list of criteria for inclusion of Russian companies in the EU blacklist."

So more Russian companies on the blacklist.
Atleast no 'Phase 3' sanctions yet.
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marqs ‏@MarQs__ 33 min.
#Ukraine NSDC says artillery bombing from #Russian territory on Ukrainian army key point near #Komyshuvakha was made at 11:30 EET
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@markmackinnon: AFP: Ukrainian government says it "cannot provide security" at #MH17 crash site.
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And what is with the story running now saying they will be given to the international experts?
 Quoting: °Lucy°

Perhaps the Russian tampering is already complete?
 Quoting: Skeptic the First


I think its propaganda again, all the reports that they are in russia. Ukraine minister stated black boxes are def. on ukrainian soil... I think they would love to get their hands on them as well...
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Shut up, of course they've got access to the site. It's told by the OSCE observers themselves.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 40117249
False.
[link to www.theguardian.com]
---
The situation there descended into chaos on Saturday as "experts" of unknown provenance moved bodies decomposing in the baking heat from fields to the roadside, and used bags to collect body parts. A spokesman for the OSCE, Michael Bociurkiw, said: "Some of the body bags are open and the damage to the corpses is very, very bad – it is very difficult to look at."
...
However, there were no recognisable international or even Ukrainian experts at the crash site, which was completely controlled by rebel gunmen.
---
 Quoting: Skeptic the First

Last thing I heard they international investigators (100 of them) are still in Kiev, because Kiev told them they shouldn't get there in a hurry and safety can't be assured. So far only OSCE on site
 Quoting: °Lucy°

That general area is under artillery bombardment by Kiev. That isn't going to change, outsiders take their chances when they enter a warzone. If hit by a shell or mortar shrapnel, well too bad, no different from thousands of other civilians in donbas.
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@markmackinnon: AFP: Ukrainian government says it "cannot provide security" at #MH17 crash site.
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Of course not.

But the NAF can.

goodnews
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Hi all hi

Just home from work and trying to catch up. Anything new?
 Quoting: °Lucy°


Hai! Just got home aswell.
Nothing huge I guess tounge
 Quoting: Falter


Still the blame game.... and armies moving. Good thing the black boxes will go straight to the international experts.

Would be interesting what would happen if things are not as they are made appear to be
 Quoting: °Lucy°


Good the black boxes are going to the international experts. The question is...who is paying the international experts? Who's side are they on? Can't trust anybody, anymore.
 Quoting: katballoo


I think they are from quiet a few countries, incl malaysia and I don't think they investigate for either side
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Shut up, of course they've got access to the site. It's told by the OSCE observers themselves.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 40117249
False.
[link to www.theguardian.com]
---
The situation there descended into chaos on Saturday as "experts" of unknown provenance moved bodies decomposing in the baking heat from fields to the roadside, and used bags to collect body parts. A spokesman for the OSCE, Michael Bociurkiw, said: "Some of the body bags are open and the damage to the corpses is very, very bad – it is very difficult to look at."
...
However, there were no recognisable international or even Ukrainian experts at the crash site, which was completely controlled by rebel gunmen.
---
 Quoting: Skeptic the First

Last thing I heard they international investigators (100 of them) are still in Kiev, because Kiev told them they shouldn't get there in a hurry and safety can't be assured. So far only OSCE on site
 Quoting: °Lucy°

That general area is under artillery bombardment by Kiev. That isn't going to change, outsiders take their chances when they enter a warzone. If hit by a shell or mortar shrapnel, well too bad, no different from thousands of other civilians in donbas.
 Quoting: FormerlyBritish


yep. I think they would be granted access there, only Kiev is telling them not to go there yet.
Thats probably why Kiev is moving army there.... But if OSCE is telling the investigators its ok they should listen to them instead of Kiev

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If Girkin 'knew' that his soldiers did not shoot down MH-17, if he 'knew' that his forces never had any BUK systems then why would he make this statement of fact:

"According to the witnesses who gathered dead bodies stated that a significant part of dead bodies are not ‘fresh’ – they died up to couple of days ago. Of course, I cannot guaranty the complete accuracy of this information, we need the forensics’ conclusion.”

Why would he specifically comment on the bodies. Were he and his troops innocent, why does the condition of the dead bodies matter to Girkin? Seems to me he's trying to create an alibi, disinform, obfuscate, create false leads.
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Not every report atributed to Strelkov is really written or said by him. There are several sites, that claim to post his official reports. But the only site that was confirmed by him personally didn't say anything about "not fresh bodies". Actually there's almost nothing from him about the plane there.
[link to icorpus.ru]
But there's another site with similiar name, that at first claimed to be "a new address of 'icorpus' site". [link to ikorpus.ru] but likely it's a fake.

I personally prefer to believe only those reports that were confirmed with video or at least clear audio recording. And only from few competent enough people.
 Quoting: Tamonten

ikorpus.ru mirrors most or all of the content from icorpus.ru with the notable exception that the address of the request for funds to help the war efforts is redirected into the bank account of the website owner of ikorpus.ru

Basically, it's just a ripoff to steal donations.
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Shut up, of course they've got access to the site. It's told by the OSCE observers themselves.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 40117249

False.

[link to www.theguardian.com]
---
The situation there descended into chaos on Saturday as "experts" of unknown provenance moved bodies decomposing in the baking heat from fields to the roadside, and used bags to collect body parts. A spokesman for the OSCE, Michael Bociurkiw, said: "Some of the body bags are open and the damage to the corpses is very, very bad – it is very difficult to look at."
...
However, there were no recognisable international or even Ukrainian experts at the crash site, which was completely controlled by rebel gunmen.
---
 Quoting: Skeptic the First


Last thing I heard they international investigators (100 of them) are still in Kiev, because Kiev told them they shouldn't get there in a hurry and safety can't be assured. So far only OSCE on site
 Quoting: °Lucy°


According to Dutch news, Dutch FM Frans Timmermans said the Dutch investigators were on their way to the scene of the crash. That was 16 hours ago. To be taken into account is that in normal circumstances it's a 10 hour journey to the site. But a few hours' delay due to the war situation is understandable.

I haven't seen or heard of any extraordinary problems, so I assume they should reach the site any moment now.
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Catherina ‏@Catherina_News 4m

United Kingdom, Germany and France have agreed to impose new sanctions against Russia [link to j.mp]
 Quoting: steelseries


Oh damn...
 Quoting: Falter


What are these sanctions? Sending Putin to bed without any dinner?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 60323580


he cant see the queen and shake Phillips hand
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marqs ‏@MarQs__ 28 min.
This Video could show paratroopers managed to get out of An-26 near #Krasnodon [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] …




marqs ‏@MarQs__ 28 min.
PT-Video shows about a dozen parachutes, people talking about them. Heavy fighting in the background. Video info says troopers killed in air

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"I assure you, ladies and gentlemen that, very soon history will show that we and our allies have fought a war on behalf of the whole world against terrorism supported by governments that will be held accountable by its own people..."
Quoting Dostoyevsky:
"Rest assured, hell is big enough for all. It doesn't deserve this fierce competition over who will be the worst." - Dr. Bashar Jaafari, UNSC session, 22nd of February, 2018 [link to youtu.be (secure)]
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Shut up, of course they've got access to the site. It's told by the OSCE observers themselves.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 40117249

False.

[link to www.theguardian.com]
---
The situation there descended into chaos on Saturday as "experts" of unknown provenance moved bodies decomposing in the baking heat from fields to the roadside, and used bags to collect body parts. A spokesman for the OSCE, Michael Bociurkiw, said: "Some of the body bags are open and the damage to the corpses is very, very bad – it is very difficult to look at."
...
However, there were no recognisable international or even Ukrainian experts at the crash site, which was completely controlled by rebel gunmen.
---
 Quoting: Skeptic the First


Last thing I heard they international investigators (100 of them) are still in Kiev, because Kiev told them they shouldn't get there in a hurry and safety can't be assured. So far only OSCE on site
 Quoting: °Lucy°


According to Dutch news, Dutch FM Frans Timmermans said the Dutch investigators were on their way to the scene of the crash. That was 16 hours ago. To be taken into account is that in normal circumstances it's a 10 hour journey to the site. But a few hours' delay due to the war situation is understandable.

I haven't seen or heard of any extraordinary problems, so I assume they should reach the site any moment now.
 Quoting: Midlight


Would be great if investigators where already on site, german news radio said about 2 hours ago that 100 international investigators are hanging around in Kiev because the site wasn't safe
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The Panic in Red Square
The one emotion most of us who study Russia never associate with the men of the Kremlin is panic. They’re not the type. They’re more like mobsters, prone to say “we have a problem,” rather than to freak out. They think everything has a solution, although sometimes that solution might mean someone has to take nine grams of lead behind the ear. They do not raise their voices — my experience is that most Russian tough-guys are mumblers, not yellers — and they get things done, even if the final outcome might lack a certain, say, elegance.
That’s why it’s unusual to see the government of Vladimir Putin, and maybe even Putin himself, panicking over the downing of Malaysian Airline Flight 17. For the first time in a long time, maybe even since Putin’s first election to power, the Russian regime has a problem it cannot solve, one that will cost the Kremlin in both money and reputation.
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Easy. Invade Ukraine now, with 100,000 men.
walla. problem solved. .
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Invading on the ground makes no sense.
Destroying all aircraft (military and civil) and all military hardware from the air makes sense.
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AJSB ‏@A_J_S_B 28 min.
NEWS FLASH:
#Ukraine AN-26 plane shot in the sky, launched 14 parashoots, NAF AA guns shot them, PS gone towards Semeykin (Luhansk airport).


AJSB ‏@A_J_S_B 26 min.
NEWS FLASH:
#Ukraine AN-26 NOT shot down but was damaged by AA guns.
Local report downing of Ukraine Su-25 in the area Barakova #Krasnodon.


AJSB ‏@A_J_S_B 24 min.
NEWS FLASH:
#Ukraine damaged AN-26 seem to manage land in Molodogvardejsk.

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"This is not a new world, it is simply an extension of what began in the old one. It has patterned itself after every dictator who has ever planted the ripping imprint of a boot on the pages of history since the beginning of time. It has refinements, technological advances, and a more sophisticated approach to the destruction of human freedom. But like every one of the super-states that preceded it, it has one iron rule: logic is an enemy and truth is a menace." - "The Obsolete Man" - The Twilight Zone, 1961
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"I assure you, ladies and gentlemen that, very soon history will show that we and our allies have fought a war on behalf of the whole world against terrorism supported by governments that will be held accountable by its own people..."
Quoting Dostoyevsky:
"Rest assured, hell is big enough for all. It doesn't deserve this fierce competition over who will be the worst." - Dr. Bashar Jaafari, UNSC session, 22nd of February, 2018 [link to youtu.be (secure)]
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Babay ‏@Truth_Seeker_11 28 min.
Many killed and wounded have arrived in #Artemovsk hospitals and morgue after overnight fighting, after ambush on 2 #Ukraine check points
“You don’t fear death, you welcome it. Your punishment must be more severe.” - Bane

"This is not a new world, it is simply an extension of what began in the old one. It has patterned itself after every dictator who has ever planted the ripping imprint of a boot on the pages of history since the beginning of time. It has refinements, technological advances, and a more sophisticated approach to the destruction of human freedom. But like every one of the super-states that preceded it, it has one iron rule: logic is an enemy and truth is a menace." - "The Obsolete Man" - The Twilight Zone, 1961
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"I assure you, ladies and gentlemen that, very soon history will show that we and our allies have fought a war on behalf of the whole world against terrorism supported by governments that will be held accountable by its own people..."
Quoting Dostoyevsky:
"Rest assured, hell is big enough for all. It doesn't deserve this fierce competition over who will be the worst." - Dr. Bashar Jaafari, UNSC session, 22nd of February, 2018 [link to youtu.be (secure)]
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Ukraine Reporter ‏@StateOfUkraine 21 min.
Video how flight recorder from #MH17 jetliner was found in #Ukraine [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] …


“You don’t fear death, you welcome it. Your punishment must be more severe.” - Bane

"This is not a new world, it is simply an extension of what began in the old one. It has patterned itself after every dictator who has ever planted the ripping imprint of a boot on the pages of history since the beginning of time. It has refinements, technological advances, and a more sophisticated approach to the destruction of human freedom. But like every one of the super-states that preceded it, it has one iron rule: logic is an enemy and truth is a menace." - "The Obsolete Man" - The Twilight Zone, 1961
________________________________________________________​__________________
"I assure you, ladies and gentlemen that, very soon history will show that we and our allies have fought a war on behalf of the whole world against terrorism supported by governments that will be held accountable by its own people..."
Quoting Dostoyevsky:
"Rest assured, hell is big enough for all. It doesn't deserve this fierce competition over who will be the worst." - Dr. Bashar Jaafari, UNSC session, 22nd of February, 2018 [link to youtu.be (secure)]
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Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387
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False.

[link to www.theguardian.com]
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The situation there descended into chaos on Saturday as "experts" of unknown provenance moved bodies decomposing in the baking heat from fields to the roadside, and used bags to collect body parts. A spokesman for the OSCE, Michael Bociurkiw, said: "Some of the body bags are open and the damage to the corpses is very, very bad – it is very difficult to look at."
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However, there were no recognisable international or even Ukrainian experts at the crash site, which was completely controlled by rebel gunmen.
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 Quoting: Skeptic the First


Last thing I heard they international investigators (100 of them) are still in Kiev, because Kiev told them they shouldn't get there in a hurry and safety can't be assured. So far only OSCE on site
 Quoting: °Lucy°


According to Dutch news, Dutch FM Frans Timmermans said the Dutch investigators were on their way to the scene of the crash. That was 16 hours ago. To be taken into account is that in normal circumstances it's a 10 hour journey to the site. But a few hours' delay due to the war situation is understandable.

I haven't seen or heard of any extraordinary problems, so I assume they should reach the site any moment now.
 Quoting: Midlight


Would be great if investigators where already on site, german news radio said about 2 hours ago that 100 international investigators are hanging around in Kiev because the site wasn't safe
 Quoting: °Lucy°


Yea looking at the twitter feed from Paul Sonne there don't seem to be much problems on the ground.

Paul Sonne @PaulSonne · 44 min
Went to three crash sites today. Saw only one rebel the entire time with a gun. Seems as if it would be fine for int'l investigators to come


Also one other reporter said that most journalists on site only need accreditation and with that they can move about pretty freely. Not a lot of armed personnel.
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Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387

ConflictReporter @MiddleEast_BRK · 12 seg
Entered from #Russia last night: 4 tanks, 3 IFV , 3 "Grad", 4 armored personnel carriers and several "Ural" trucks with ammunition - NSDC
 Quoting: Luisport

I don't believe it for one minute.
But I hope I'm wrong in that disbelief!





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